17 Replies Latest reply on Oct 30, 2006 9:36 AM by Newsgroup_User

    COMPLETE BEGINNER

    MR-DIAZ
      Hi i´ve just got Dreamweaver 8 and i´m wondering as a completely new user as in i know nothing about web design would the Total training for dreamweaver 8 be of use ??? would the DVD help me from the basics or is dreamweaver 8 for the more experienced web designer and i´m going in to deep for my first attempt.
        • 1. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
          trickyjw
          Personally I think the tutorials that come with dreamweaver is quite good for learning the basic. walking through the tutorial about the cafe is good I think. Dreamweaver is for all level users and a good place to start. Maybe at the beginning stay away from database driven websites and just work on getting better at static websites and learning css. Create your own websites and post them online for opinions on how you have gone.
          • 2. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
            Level 7
            Try Help > Getting started with Dreamweaver

            Then try the Lynda.com online tutorials

            http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=172

            First 3 chapters are free then it's US$25/month.

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            • 3. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
              Level 7
              For a complete beginner I would strongly suggest that you learn the basics
              of html and css before you actually start using DW.... This book comes
              highly recommended - the HTML book by Elizabeth Castro.
              http://tinyurl.com/ybhnby
              www.w3schools.com and
              http://www.htmlgoodies.com/primers/html/article.php/3478131 come in handy
              as reference sites.

              Once you know html, you will be able to troubleshoot any problems with your
              page much easier.

              The CSS tutorials at the Adobe site will also be invaluable for learning
              css - starting with this one by Adrian:
              http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_concepts.html

              Also, make sure you work in design/code view, NOT in layout mode. This way,
              if you insert something on the page, you can see what code has been written
              and learn that way as well.

              Bookmark this site - this is a good starting point for searching for
              previously asked questions on this forum:
              http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?q=+group:macromedia.dreamweaver

              Good luck !

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              "MR-DIAZ" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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              > Hi i´ve just got Dreamweaver 8 and i´m wondering as a completely new user
              > as in
              > i know nothing about web design would the Total training for dreamweaver 8
              > be
              > of use ??? would the DVD help me from the basics or is dreamweaver 8 for
              > the
              > more experienced web designer and i´m going in to deep for my first
              > attempt.
              >


              • 4. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                MR-DIAZ Level 1
                Well thanks i´m just trying to make a small web page for my company. with the usual stuff, contacts, projects, photos etc etc. I was looking for something very simple that does the job like black background and white type you know minimalistic. Just wondered if this programme would be suited for a beginner.
                At some point i would like a flash programme installed on the web page so i can update to this in the future it´s possibley best if i design the page with all tags ie contact, project tag at the bottom of the screen from left to right and keep all space available from top to 3/4 down for flash or gallery photos i think this will be the best way to include wide angle shots or any flash uploads.
                • 5. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                  trickyjw Level 1
                  I actually think you learn css and html while learning dreamweaver. Learning html and css before using dreamweaver will just confuse someone. Learning hands on with dreamweaver you will see how css and html work and how things are applied and also using split view to see the html will also quicken the learning process.
                  • 6. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                    Level 7
                    >I actually think you learn css and html while learning dreamweaver.
                    >Learning
                    > html and css before using dreamweaver will just confuse someone.

                    I believe that if you learn the basic tags used in html first, it will only
                    make it easier to use Dreamweaver or any other html editor.

                    If someone learns what a <p> tag is and how it is styled, we wouldn't have
                    the same questions asked repeatedly eg: "how do I get one space between
                    lines?" :-)

                    > Learning hands on with dreamweaver you will see how css and html work and
                    > how things are
                    > applied and also using split view to see the html will also quicken the
                    > learning process.

                    I realise that a lot of people will want to get straight into using
                    Dreamweaver, that's why I suggested that they do not work in layout mode...
                    they should work in code/design view and watch the code as it is entered in
                    code view and learn that way too.

                    Only problem is that people expect Dreamweaver to do it all for them and
                    then can't understand why something simple doesn't work when they check it
                    out in a browser, they will have no idea how to troubleshoot the problems
                    they have because they don't understand the underlying code.


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                    • 7. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                      MR-DIAZ Level 1
                      Well thanks for all your help i´m sure you´ll be hearing from me very soon
                      • 8. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                        Level 7
                        > Just wondered if this programme would be suited for a beginner

                        A beginner with no interest is seriously learning how to build web pages in
                        general, and no real motivation to study HTML and CSS hard? Candidly, no.
                        It would not be suitable.

                        > At some point i would like a flash programme

                        Pimp up the site, huh? Why Flash?

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                        "MR-DIAZ" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                        news:ei1v9u$gsq$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                        > Well thanks i´m just trying to make a small web page for my company. with
                        > the
                        > usual stuff, contacts, projects, photos etc etc. I was looking for
                        > something
                        > very simple that does the job like black background and white type you
                        > know
                        > minimalistic. Just wondered if this programme would be suited for a
                        > beginner.
                        > At some point i would like a flash programme installed on the web page so
                        > i
                        > can update to this in the future it´s possibley best if i design the page
                        > with
                        > all tags ie contact, project tag at the bottom of the screen from left to
                        > right
                        > and keep all space available from top to 3/4 down for flash or gallery
                        > photos i
                        > think this will be the best way to include wide angle shots or any flash
                        > uploads.
                        >


                        • 9. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                          Level 7
                          Black background, white text; heavy on Flash? I think you should start with
                          a good book or two on web site design with an emphasis on usability before
                          you even think about learning HTML & CSS, let alone Dreamweaver.

                          Walt

                          "MR-DIAZ" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                          news:ei1v9u$gsq$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                          > Well thanks i´m just trying to make a small web page for my company. with
                          > the
                          > usual stuff, contacts, projects, photos etc etc. I was looking for
                          > something
                          > very simple that does the job like black background and white type you
                          > know
                          > minimalistic. Just wondered if this programme would be suited for a
                          > beginner.
                          > At some point i would like a flash programme installed on the web page so
                          > i
                          > can update to this in the future it´s possibley best if i design the page
                          > with
                          > all tags ie contact, project tag at the bottom of the screen from left to
                          > right
                          > and keep all space available from top to 3/4 down for flash or gallery
                          > photos i
                          > think this will be the best way to include wide angle shots or any flash
                          > uploads.
                          >


                          • 10. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                            MR-DIAZ Level 1
                            Well thanks for voicing your opinion Walt & ACE as my question was valid and as i´m already a regular on 2 other forums i can understand the frustration of newbies asking not quite the right questions and that there´s always 1 or 2 regulars with a sting in there tails always ready to be a little sarcastic and clever. The next point is in the choosing of the colours black background and white letters set out right with the right fonts and usability can look very affective and is my choice not yours therefore using this colour selection i can keep within the same colour coding of my company i´e letterheads, business cards, vehicles etc etc that´s the style we chosose 7 years ago and it works very well bother for me, my workers and customers. But thanks anyway
                            • 11. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                              Level 7
                              My question was a serious one. Flash is not where a beginner needs to go,
                              in my opinion, of course.

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                              "MR-DIAZ" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                              > Well thanks for voicing your opinion Walt & ACE as my question was valid
                              > and as
                              > i´m already a regular on 2 other forums i can understand the frustration
                              > of
                              > newbies asking not quite the right questions and that there´s always 1 or
                              > 2
                              > regulars with a sting in there tails always ready to be a little sarcastic
                              > and
                              > clever. The next point is in the choosing of the colours black background
                              > and
                              > white letters set out right with the right fonts and usability can look
                              > very
                              > affective and is my choice not yours therefore using this colour selection
                              > i
                              > can keep within the same colour coding of my company i´e letterheads,
                              > business
                              > cards, vehicles etc etc that´s the style we chosose 7 years ago and it
                              > works
                              > very well bother for me, my workers and customers. But thanks anyway
                              >


                              • 12. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                                MR-DIAZ Level 1
                                Well sorry if i misunderstood you. photo´s will go in the top part of the web page to use the whole space at maximum width and may be in the future i would like to include some flash videos but not at the moment as i have no clue how to start it let alone a web page. But i´m on with the homepage still, it´s black with a white font called Neuropol and it´s just what i want and that is one of the most important things right ?
                                • 13. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                                  Level 7
                                  > black with a white font called Neuropol and it´s just what i want....

                                  But what of the millions of people who do not not Neuropol installed on
                                  their computers? Then then won't see just what you want.


                                  • 14. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                                    Level 7
                                    You must start with an understanding of basic principles. One of them is
                                    that there are only a few fonts you can use that are "web safe". Here is a
                                    list of them -

                                    http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html


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                                    "MR-DIAZ" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                    > Well sorry if i misunderstood you. photo´s will go in the top part of the
                                    > web
                                    > page to use the whole space at maximum width and may be in the future i
                                    > would
                                    > like to include some flash videos but not at the moment as i have no clue
                                    > how
                                    > to start it let alone a web page. But i´m on with the homepage still, it´s
                                    > black with a white font called Neuropol and it´s just what i want and that
                                    > is
                                    > one of the most important things right ?
                                    >


                                    • 15. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                                      MR-DIAZ Level 1
                                      I´m so sorry i would only be using the font Neuropol for the companies logo, as i´ve been asking around i was told about the web safe fonts so the problem is i really want this font on the web page so i´ll have to include it as i photo then í should be OK right ????
                                      • 16. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                                        Level 7
                                        Right - make it a graphic.

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                                        "MR-DIAZ" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                        > I´m so sorry i would only be using the font Neuropol for the companies
                                        > logo, as
                                        > i´ve been asking around i was told about the web safe fonts so the
                                        > problem is
                                        > i really want this font on the web page so i´ll have to include it as i
                                        > photo
                                        > then í should be OK right ????
                                        >


                                        • 17. Re: COMPLETE BEGINNER
                                          Level 7
                                          > regulars with a sting in there tails

                                          HUH?


                                          "MR-DIAZ" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                          news:ei39t5$2te$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                          > Well thanks for voicing your opinion Walt & ACE as my question was valid
                                          > and as
                                          > i´m already a regular on 2 other forums i can understand the frustration
                                          > of
                                          > newbies asking not quite the right questions and that there´s always 1 or
                                          > 2
                                          > regulars with a sting in there tails always ready to be a little sarcastic
                                          > and
                                          > clever. The next point is in the choosing of the colours black background
                                          > and
                                          > white letters set out right with the right fonts and usability can look
                                          > very
                                          > affective and is my choice not yours therefore using this colour selection
                                          > i
                                          > can keep within the same colour coding of my company i´e letterheads,
                                          > business
                                          > cards, vehicles etc etc that´s the style we chosose 7 years ago and it
                                          > works
                                          > very well bother for me, my workers and customers. But thanks anyway
                                          >