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I have tested this for one spot in CS2: Warm Red C
1. Synchronize PhS and ID by Bridge.
2. Choose Pantone Coated Warm Red C in PhS and
show Lab values: 57/71/53.
3. Choose New Swatch Pantone Coated Warm C in ID
AND select 'Use Standard Lab Values for Spots'
in the Ink Manager. Show Lab values: 57/71/53.
The same. My data base: 57/71/54.
If 'Use Standard...' is not checked, then the Lab
values are calculated using old&useless CMYK values,
for instance Lab=58/55/57.
Your short description is correct. Maybe you had
unintentionally the mentioned 'Use..' not checked ?
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann
in may PhS it's lab: 58\70\50
IN ID its: 57\71\53?
and i use 'Use Standard Lab Values for Spots' in ID?
what happen here?
Sounds like you're using Photoshop CS3 and InDesign CS2, maybe?
Each CS suite uses its own set of PANTONE Lab values.
yes: i using Photoshop CS3 and InDesign CS2.
simply ignore these seasonal differences.
Even by true spot inks, these Lab colors
cannot be reproduced reliably, because one
has to take into account the ink, the light,
the paper (!) and the viewing conditions.
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann
They may not be reproduced *perfectly*, but it's important to have a standard to shoot for.
To say that standards in the form of Lab values amount to "seasonal differences", and that differences in ink, paper and viewing light source/conditions diminish the importance of the aimpoints is somewhat misleading, in my view.
but technical whay this hapen this difrent betwin IDcs2
and PScs3? its aseme panton solid coated, no?
Truth is that PANTONE colors are not set in stone, at least not as much as we would like to believe they are. They will live within a range that varies from swatch book to fan and from year to year, or from one press run to another within the same year.
Like all things, nothing is absolutely perfect. But, still, the tolerances are tight enough to offer a reliable "metric" -- to use a term that has become voguish lately.
If in actual fact the colors "float" this way or that by 1 or 2 DeltaE 2000, I don't think that much can be done about that, other than be aware of it.
Realistically, it's a very complex task to maintain an absolutely rock-solid standard for color swatches across the board.
i have ander question: if i take pure black (k=100)
in PS and convert to one profill in cmyk to ander,
i see difrent black (it's not k=100).
but wen i do this in ID (convert to profill) its stil k=100?
why it's not changing like in PS?
Maybe because you have "Preserve values" option in the CMYK side of your Color Configuration in InDesign.
Honestly, that is something I don't quite yet understand about "Convert to Profile" in InDesign.
Whether InDesign's Color Settings call for for "Convert to Working Space" or "Preserve Numbers", the CMYK color numbers in the object do not change after converting to another CMYK profile. The only thing that happens seems to be that the document is being *assigned* the new profile, but the CMYK numbers *do not change*.
Can anyone tell me if there's something I'm missing?
hi, gustavo danchez
no: i have in color setting "preserve embedded profill".
yes, marco! me to dont understand this in ID!? ithinks in ID
this function it's only for change when you close to pdf and bewore this you wont change youer profill so you do "convert to profill. maybe?
well... i try agen in it's work...
sorry about confusion.
thank's to all