7 Replies Latest reply on Jan 16, 2009 1:43 AM by (Dirk.Becker)

    [CS3] nextTextFrame of an anchored textframe

    Martin Fischer Level 2
      Hello,

      in the UI it is not possible to define a nextTextFrame of an anchored textFrame in InDesign CS3.
      You cannot create a link from an anchored textFrame to another textframe using the nextFrame- or the previousFrame-property of the anchored textFrame or the target textFrame by script, too.

      But with the assistance of the plugin OversetManager (http://www.vjoon.de/publishing-loesungen/plug-ins/overset-manager/) you can link overset text of an anchored textframe to a new textframe. With the linked textframe you can do what you want to: move, resize ...

      If you once have created such a linked textframe with the assistance of the ContentManager-plugin the link between the anchored textframe and the next text frame will be active even if you deactivate this plugin.

      Can anybody explain how to create a nextTextFrame of an anchored textframe without using this plugin?.

      Martin Fischer
        • 1. Re: [CS3] nextTextFrame of an anchored textframe
          Level 1
          I don't believe it is possible.

          Dave
          • 2. Re: [CS3] nextTextFrame of an anchored textframe
            Level 1
            Hi Martin, Dave,

            Dave is right--you can't. You can't do it in the UI without the plug-in, so you can't do it via scripting. Very early versions of InDesign (pre 1.0) had this feature, but it's just too crazy. Think about what happens when the next text frame of an inline frame is the frame containing the inline frame. Only madness lies in that direction.

            Thanks,

            Ole
            • 3. Re: [CS3] nextTextFrame of an anchored textframe
              Harbs. Level 6
              Like Dave and Ole said: you can't. But with APID and some very fancy
              footwork, you can fake it...

              --
              Harbs
              http://www.in-tools.com
              • 4. Re: [CS3] nextTextFrame of an anchored textframe
                Martin Fischer Level 2
                Dave, Olav and Harbs,

                thank you for the information.

                Well, somethimes there are situations in which you wish you could do that.
                E.g. linking from an anchored marginal note to a new textframe on the next page.
                Or linking from a textframe within a table cell to a new textframe within another table cell or to a textframe outside the table.

                There should be ways to prevent linking from a textframe to its parent, that's true.
                But as there are ways to prevent linking from an anchored textframe to another frame I could imagine that this should be possible to be handled, too. ;-)

                And as Harbs told, you can fake it.
                E.g. with the overset manager (above).
                And you can fake it in such a manner that if you once have linked an anchored textframe to another you can disable the plugin without loosing this feature in the linked frames (the anchored textframe has got a real nextTextFrame).

                But I do understand that one could drive into a lot of problems, trying to link from a textframe within a table cell to the textframe the table is in.

                Bad news for people who have to work with longer marginal notes that should hang relative to the anchor in a text line and sometimes should be continued on next page.

                Thanks
                Martin
                • 5. Re: [CS3] nextTextFrame of an anchored textframe
                  Level 1
                  Martin,

                  what happens if you round-trip such a document thru INX, or even Snippet?
                  • 6. Re: [CS3] nextTextFrame of an anchored textframe
                    Martin Fischer Level 2
                    Dirk,

                    at the beginning of the export (both, inx and inds) you are warned because auf overset text which really is completely shown in linked textframes by the function of the plugin.

                    After reopening the inx the link between a 'normal' textframe and it's overflow-textframe (created by the plugin) is intact as before. The overflow-textframe is highlighted as before (fillcolor). The same is found after placing the inds.

                    But what a surprise at a previously anchored textframe:

                    INX: the anchored textframe is empty und no longer linked with the overflow-textframe.
                    The text of the anchored textframe is completely found in the overflow-textframe which ist highlighted as before.

                    INDS: the anchored textframe is completely missing and its content too!
                    The (highlighted) overflow-textframe is present with the overflow-text.

                    The visuability of the overflow-textframes that could be managed by the plugin before is no longer managed by the plugin after opening the inx or placing the inds.

                    Martin
                    • 7. Re: [CS3] nextTextFrame of an anchored textframe
                      Level 1
                      I see, so it is not possible to (re)create the situation via INX.

                      Sounds reasonable as INX and scripting use the same foundation. Have you filed a bug report at Vjoon? At least with their plugin present it should be possible to rebuild the document, on that way you'd probably also gain scripting support for their feature.

                      Dirk