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    Imminent Forum Demise

    SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member
      As you are no doubt aware:

      >ANNOUNCEMENT: Forums will be unavailable for planned system maintenance starting at 3pm PST on April 3, 2009. New forums will be online on Monday April 6, 2009.

      Will the last person to leave please turn out the lights?

      And if you want to go somewhere to get your questions answered where you can also do useful things like post screenshots and files, etc then you are more than welcome at AudioMasters where we might get the odd blown fuse, but at least we can mend them...
        • 1. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
          Ozpeter Community Member
          Yup, it's a great resource. I hope everyone will make it across to the new Adobe forums but those who do not may be seen, or at least felt to lurk, over there. Cheers!
          • 2. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
            (DaveK)
            I'd love to use Audiomasters, but the format of the URLs used for the content pages is blocked by BT's security software as it identifies them as hacking tool sites.

            The index page is OK, but URLS with endings like "index.php/board,26.0.html" are blocked.
            • 3. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
              SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member
              >I'd love to use Audiomasters, but the format of the URLs used for the content pages is blocked by BT's security software as it identifies them as hacking tool sites.

              I'd be inclined to take that up with BT, considering how many phpbb forum sites there are around. I think that they are being a bit over-protective here; I don't recall anybody ever reporting us as being hackers!
              • 4. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                Despised7 Community Member
                Hmmm....we will have to look into that one DaveK!
                • 5. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                  Bob Howes Community Member
                  Is this new? I was a BT Internet customer before I left the UK and never had any problems with Audiomasters.
                  • 6. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                    SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member
                    I don't think that it's inherent in BT connections because I often check the forum from a BT-provided system and I don't have any difficulty with it either. And that's not exactly a million miles from DaveK's location...
                    • 7. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                      MusicConductor Community Member
                      G'night, Gracie!
                      • 8. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                        Ozpeter Community Member
                        Is this thing on?
                        • 9. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                          MusicConductor Community Member

                          Yep, looks like it is!

                          • 10. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                            SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                            MusicConductor wrote:

                             

                            Yep, looks like it is!

                            On??? Well I don't think so. I think that it's pretty 'off' to have ditched all of the FAQs without so much as a 'by your leave', and the software formatting hasn't even picked up the quotes in previous messages properly.

                             

                            On top of that, there doesn't appear to be an easy way to see whether a thread has been updated unless you want to use that horrible RSS thing (which I don't). The whole thing appears to be a bit of 'nicey nicey' but with no easy way to use it. The old forum sucked somewhat, but it was nowhere near as bad as this.

                             

                            I mean, having your text in some stupid font really makes a difference to the content, doesn't it?

                             

                            The whole thing is the triumph of form over function.

                            • 11. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                              djwayne2000 Community Member

                              Hmmm, I like the forum's new look. I like being able to post screenshots and pictures too !!

                              I also like being able to edit my posts...

                               

                              To see the full screenshot, click on the picture...

                              Every Picture tells A Story.jpg

                              • 12. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                djwayne2000 wrote:

                                 

                                I also like being able to edit my posts...

                                 

                                 

                                You could edit your posts on the previous forum just as much as you can on this one - ie, not for very long...

                                 

                                And on AudioMasters you've been able to post screenshots ever since we've been there.

                                 

                                And if you look at the list of file formats you can actually post here, can you see any specifically audio ones? I can't. By and large people find it far more useful to be able to post clips of troublesome audio than screenshots, and it looks pretty much as though you simply can't do it. You can't even post a .zip, for heaven's sake...

                                • 13. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                  Eric S 1 Community Member

                                  Yep, even those these are up a day early (at least here on the US west coast) they're a mess.  It wouldn't let me use my old screen name or any variation so I had to do this name, with which I'm not happy.  Anyone know how to change that?

                                  And of course the text box for typing these HAD to be flash-based.  *sigh*

                                  • 14. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                    djwayne2000 Community Member

                                    http://cid-af5aec0e9ab4b07b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public

                                     

                                     

                                    What I'm saying is that I like the look of the new forums over the old bland forums.

                                    I haven't had a chance to thuroghly go over it yet. But you do have a point about audio files.This is a forum about audio software, and being able to post audio clips should be mandatory. In the meantime though, I have posted some old music samples of recordings I made back in the '70's at a website called SkyDrive supplied by MicroSoft. They give you 25Gigs of space on the web, to store and share stuff. It's like having an off site computer hard drive just for safety backups.

                                    You should be able to access the recordings at the above link.

                                    • 15. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                      djwayne2000 Community Member

                                      For more information about SkyDrive goto....

                                       

                                       

                                      http://www.windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive

                                      • 16. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                        MusicConductor Community Member

                                        Hmmm.... I came back to the office and find my email inbox full of notifications of all your replies.  I did not subscribe to this thread.  Well, I didn't intentionally subscribe.  We'll have to see about this one.

                                         

                                        I did notice the missing FAQ, but figured that's because all the links are broken.  Well, silly me, on second thought links weren't what made that forum work.  So major oopsie there.

                                         

                                        RE Eric S 1: My old login consisted of my screen name and Adobe store password.  That was refused for this forum.  We were warned of this some months ago, that the merge of forum and store logins was coming and to update our account accordingly.  After several attempts, I finally got in using my real name and Adobe store password, which then automatically connected me to my screen name identity.

                                         

                                        Remember, Audition is the one product Adobe refuses to promote for itself, so that's why there's no ability to upload mp3 or wave clips!

                                         

                                        While it's easy to point out the shortcomings of the transition, at least this launch, at this point a day early, isn't the unmitigated disaster of the last attempt to "upgrade."  So maybe there's hope for the problems at hand.

                                        • 17. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                          MusicConductor Community Member

                                          Nice that the place got a nice paint job, but for all the graphical advantages of this system, what really counts does seem to be lacking: threads viewed per page defaults to 30 regardless of what you set it to, and posts per page doesn't seem to be alterable beyond the paltry 15.  Tell me I'm wrong!  Makes speed reading take longer.  At least all replies show up sequentially regardless of where you hit the "reply" button.

                                           

                                          Now I know: if you create a thread or a reply to an existing thread, by default you are subscribed to email notifications unless you go into your profile preferences and disable it.  Personally, I find it very irritating to have that many emails, so the choice is obvious.  Interesting change of procedure without my input.

                                           

                                          Where is the sub-forum for older versions of Audition?  Is this the point that all previous versions of Audition and Cool Edit are jettisoned?  Maybe that can still be corrected too.

                                          • 18. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                            MusicConductor Community Member

                                            This is a test of out-of-sequence posting.  I hit reply to Ozpeter on page one, and this reply does show up chronologically.  That's good, I think.

                                            • 19. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                              Bob Howes Community Member

                                              I know I'm off in the wilds of Australia but I'm finding this new format pretty slow to load when I click on a new thread or hit the "Reply" button.

                                               

                                              Also, anyone else slightly concerned that Audition doesn't merit it's own graphical shortcut on the main "Forums" page and has been relegated to the second division "use the drop down menu" apps?

                                               

                                              Bob

                                              • 20. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                Eric S 1 Community Member

                                                And have any of you noticed the "points" system implemented?  On calrec's thread about the installing Cool Edit on a new hard-drive, there is a point system listed at the top of the post - 10 points for a correct answer and 5 points for a helpful answer.  Why?

                                                • 21. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                  SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                  MusicConductor wrote:


                                                  Hmmm.... I came back to the office and find my email inbox full of notifications of all your replies.  I did not subscribe to this thread.  Well, I didn't intentionally subscribe.  We'll have to see about this one.


                                                  I did notice the missing FAQ, but figured that's because all the links are broken.  Well, silly me, on second thought links weren't what made that forum work.  So major oopsie there.

                                                   

                                                  Had exactly the same problems with emails, and I deliberately unsubscribed, so that's screwed in a particularly spam-like way...

                                                   

                                                  As for the FAQ, this was noticed in the trial period, and complained about. Nothing at all happened, so you can read what you like (or don't like) into that. Personally, I think that it's a direct snub to Ozpeter, who put in a lot of work on them. Fortunately we realised that this was going to happen, and 'resuced' them all - just as we did with the old Syntrillium forum archive. So we will revise them all a bit, and repost them on the forum that actually tries to provide some sensible backup for Audition - however old it is. So you won't find them here...

                                                  RE Eric S 1: My old login consisted of my screen name and Adobe store password.  That was refused for this forum.  We were warned of this some months ago, that the merge of forum and store logins was coming and to update our account accordingly.  After several attempts, I finally got in using my real name and Adobe store password, which then automatically connected me to my screen name identity.


                                                  Remember, Audition is the one product Adobe refuses to promote for itself, so that's why there's no ability to upload mp3 or wave clips!


                                                  While it's easy to point out the shortcomings of the transition, at least this launch, at this point a day early, isn't the unmitigated disaster of the last attempt to "upgrade."  So maybe there's hope for the problems at hand.

                                                  I had the same problem with logins - despite fixing this (I thought...) recently. It hasn't reconciled the two that I apparently have, and I can't access the usual one, so you now get a helpful reminder tagged onto my user-name... Perhaps I shouldn't complain about that!

                                                   

                                                  It's easy to point out the shortcomings because there are many of them. And most of them were pointed out during the 'trial' period. And nothing happened about them, so I'd say that there's very little hope at all about fixing any of them. So I thought that at least I should get the quoting style back, because despite all of the 'nicey nicey' look, it's simply too hard to distinguish different parts of the text unless you do. That should happen automatically, but it doesn't. In fact, to get anywhere at all with the layout is now quite a lot harder than it used to be. Basically, it sucks.

                                                   

                                                  And as for this 'points for answers' thing - whoever thought of that, and why? What a particularly ridiculous and pointless thing to do.

                                                   

                                                  But like I said at the start of this thread, there is an alternative...

                                                  • 22. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                    Dave K4

                                                    SteveG(AudioMasters) wrote:

                                                     

                                                    I don't think that it's inherent in BT connections because I often check the forum from a BT-provided system and I don't have any difficulty with it either. And that's not exactly a million miles from DaveK's location...

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    OK, couple of clarifications:

                                                     

                                                    Other PHBB forums are fine, it's only Audiomasters I have a problem with.

                                                     

                                                    And when I say BT I mean BT's internal network web filters, not BT Internet. It works fine from home over BT Internet,

                                                     

                                                    Dave

                                                     

                                                    PS - couldn't see how to quote the posting I was replying to!

                                                    PPS  - as you were - found it.

                                                    PPPS - and just tried AM again  - it worked, once, then next time it got blocked.

                                                    • 23. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                      SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                      Dave K4 wrote:

                                                      Other PHBB forums are fine, it's only Audiomasters I have a problem with.

                                                       

                                                      And when I say BT I mean BT's internal network web filters, not BT Internet. It works fine from home over BT Internet,

                                                       


                                                      PPPS - and just tried AM again  - it worked, once, then next time it got blocked.

                                                       

                                                      In that case, we'll look into it, because that shouldn't be happening. Does seem a bit strange that you can get in once and not the second time, though.

                                                      • 24. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                        Despised7 Community Member

                                                        Hi Dave,


                                                        Could you give it another shot?  I've changed some things that possibly could have caused the problem.

                                                         

                                                        A few years back we actually made a switch to a different forum software, SMF.  If you still cannot login and see the AudioMasters, could you visit the link below and see if you have problems there? (This is the SMF developers forum)


                                                        http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php

                                                        • 25. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                          MusicConductor Community Member

                                                          Hey guys, this is not looking good for me here.  Bob, this loads somewhat slowly on my new work computer, but absolutely grinds my home computer to a halt.  I don't know what kind of programming is in use but it is demanding, to say the least.

                                                           

                                                          I had to go away and let my computer (an old P3 running XP and IE7) have time to load these pages.  This computer is not about to be replaced -- I just can't fork it out for better one right now -- and the fact that I can smoothly participate in all kinds of other forums on it, but not this one, is quite the shock.  The end result is that my presence here will be sharply curtailed.  Unless ya'll wanna take up a collection er somethin'.  Just sayin'.

                                                           

                                                          Interesting that having 7 tabs open at once consumes at least half of my CPU when I'm doing absolutely nothing.  Typing pegs it to 100.  Ridiculous.

                                                           

                                                          Steve, as always, thanks for your comments.  I can't understand the permanent loss of the FAQs.  Hopefully we're wrong.  Add to the disappointments the sluggish behemoth that the programming of these pages makes my computer.

                                                           

                                                          Remember when computer programs used to be simple?

                                                           

                                                          Later.  Thanks for everything.

                                                          • 26. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                            Thomash Lee Community Member

                                                            I've tried some different browsers. IE7 and the alternative brower bases on IE7 are slow and lagging. But Firefox 3 is quite smooth. That happens in other web Flash application (like Flash game) that lagging occurs in the "older" browsers. Perhaps IE8 / Opera / Safari will give some preferable result. But I'm using the IE7 for some web page layout reason. Also IE8 still has the character code and unintented cookie clearance issues.

                                                            • 28. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                              Brian Stew Community Member

                                                              So far I haven't even be able to use the editor on Opera. Quite ironic, since it's generally regarded as the most 'standards compliant' browser out there. But where o'where do you find properly written webapps these days... Some have claimed the editor is Flash based - well I can't see any Flash here - and actually that could have been an improvement since it would look and work exactly the same on all platforms (even Linux) and in all browsers then...

                                                              • 29. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                Dave K4 Community Member

                                                                Despised7 wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                Hi Dave,


                                                                Could you give it another shot?  I've changed some things that possibly could have caused the problem.

                                                                 

                                                                A few years back we actually made a switch to a different forum software, SMF.  If you still cannot login and see the AudioMasters, could you visit the link below and see if you have problems there? (This is the SMF developers forum)


                                                                http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php

                                                                 

                                                                Hi Despised,

                                                                 

                                                                Whatever you changed seems to have fixed the problem, it's working fine now.

                                                                 

                                                                See you all in the other place!

                                                                 

                                                                Thanks,

                                                                 

                                                                Dave

                                                                • 30. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                  SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                  MusicConductor wrote:

                                                                  I can't understand the permanent loss of the FAQs.  Hopefully we're wrong.  Add to the disappointments the sluggish behemoth that the programming of these pages makes my computer.

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  Whilst I would like to share your hopes, experience taught me years ago that optimists tend to be the ones who get disappointed 99.99% of the time, and it's pessimists who get the occasional nice surprise, because their expectations are effectively zero, and they are therefore only very occasionally disappointed!

                                                                   

                                                                  I haven't tried the forums with any version of IE, because I stopped using that bugged piece of grungeware years ago. But I have to say that having a forum that isn't browser-agnostic is also NOT VERY CLEVER, IS IT???

                                                                  • 31. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                    TheodoreG Community Member

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    I wonder if there are any backups for the message archives that had been in the Adobe Forums.  If Adobe really is discarding several years worth of discussions, FAQs, etc., it is quite an unnecessary waste.  I tried checking the "Wayback Machine" on archive.org, but its coverage of the Adobe Forums is very patchy.  Maybe it would have been better not to divide discussions into categories tied to specific versions of the software.  If someone at Adobe decides, "Audition 1.5 is old, so let's delete all the messages in that category", it would have been better just to have a general category that does not name software versions.

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    A lot of the discussions I see under version-specific headings are not really version-specific anyway.  I saw things like questions on dynamic range compression under "Audtion 2.0", and 32-bit versus 24-bit formats under "Audition 1.5".  Due to a user's quirk of posting these in one forum or another, the messages either got deleted or didn't (if under the "Audition 3.0" category, which was preserved).

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    For the Audition General Discussion, is the set of messages fairly complete from before the transition?

                                                                    • 32. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                      SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                      AudioMasters got a heads-up about the FAQs and 'rescued' them all. Some of them need a bit of a rework anyway, so we're currently working on that. In terms of access to old threads, this has long been a bone of contention - Ozpeter had to make a very deliberate attempt to save threads if they weren't to fall off the bottom of the forum automatically.

                                                                       

                                                                      AudioMasters, on the other hand, realises the value of some of this older stuff (especially as we created a lot of it), so we don't let go of it anywhere near as easily.

                                                                       

                                                                      Adobe really doesn't like history, or see any value in it at all. The overall forum management has demonstrated this several times over now, so there can be  no doubt in any serious observer's mind that it's true.

                                                                      • 33. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                        SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                        Another thing I'm getting somewhat hacked off about is that I've discovered that I have to make a deliberate attempt to stop email notifications all over the place - by default they seem to be turned on. And even after I've turned them off, they get turned back on again.

                                                                         

                                                                        Somebody should be taken out and... made to alter all the defaults. Or just bring back the old forums. They weren't great, but they were nowhere near as bad as this one is. You'd have thought that they'd learned their lesson from last time, wouldn't you? But no...

                                                                        • 34. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                          Dave K4 Community Member

                                                                          And also if you click on "stop email notifcations" for a particular thread, nothing happens and they remain on even if you've changed your default preferences. I've now put forum mail on my spam list to get rid of it.

                                                                          • 35. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                            SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                            Dave K4 wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            And also if you click on "stop email notifcations" for a particular thread, nothing happens and they remain on even if you've changed your default preferences. I've now put forum mail on my spam list to get rid of it.

                                                                            That's probably a good idea - as is creating a separate account called adobespam@... and redirecting it all there. What appears to happen is that whenever, and every time you make a post to a thread, the email notification thing automatically gets turned back on, so after every post you make, you have to turn it off again - unless you want to get the email of course.

                                                                             

                                                                            Anyway, that sucks big time too.

                                                                            • 36. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                              Brian Stew Community Member

                                                                              It appears I am *not* able to stop e-mail notifications when somebody posts here, even if I turn it off. (The feeback after hitting the button is kind of ambigous (major FAIL in any software design!), so I've tried all options to be sure). Since I do not want my Inbox to be littered by all your writings (not that it's your writing per se that's trash, but you know), could you all just please STOP posting ???

                                                                               

                                                                              (Yeah, right. Thanx)

                                                                               

                                                                              Has anyone found any way to give some people in charge some feedback on this?

                                                                              The 'submit product feedback' seems to be just a way for the company to collect other's ideas for free - it doesn't lead to any support / FAQ or actual feedback (as in negative feedback) options that I can see.

                                                                               

                                                                              This sux

                                                                              Good for AudioMasters, but I participate in other forums here too...

                                                                               

                                                                              Otherwise, have a nice Easter holiday everyone! Off now.

                                                                              • 37. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                                SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                                mikromidas wrote:


                                                                                Has anyone found any way to give some people in charge some feedback on this?

                                                                                The 'submit product feedback' seems to be just a way for the company to collect other's ideas for free - it doesn't lead to any support / FAQ or actual feedback (as in negative feedback) options that I can see.

                                                                                 

                                                                                 

                                                                                Bit of a can of worms, that. This whole 'people in charge' thing is kinda interesting at the moment... but when it comes down to basic forum design and usage, I don't think that anybody will get anywhere on their own. You have to bear in mind that 'they' did this because they thought it was right, not because any of the end users asked them to. If you go back to the last fiasco, you might recall that what the end users actually wanted (and got in the end) was to have the previous version put back again.

                                                                                 

                                                                                And now they seem to have foisted another one on us, and all that distinguishes it from the previous version is the detailed nature of the complaints - but not the quantity of them. Both versions they've put up suck because they don't address the actual needs of forum users - which are to be able to manage easily what they want to post, look at and reply to. I don't think that most of us care really about what it looks like - primarily people ask questions, and want answers (or at least some sort of discussion about an issue) about the software they're trying to use. What they don't want (but are having to put up with here) is to have to ask a load of help-style questions about the forum they're trying to get help from about their real problems - that just gets very heavily in the way, and constitutes a major noise in the system. And it's what AudioMasters trys to avoid.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Honestly, I think the best thing we could all do is just go away and let this forum die. I never thought that I'd end up writing that, but how else do you get them to take any notice, other than voting with your feet? Nothing else seems to work, does it?

                                                                                • 38. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                                  plarsen@mail.tele.dk Community Member

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Sorry guys, I don't feel any need for navigating subject lines like:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Re: New message: "Re: Imminent Forum Demise"

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Nor for having to scroll to see whether a post is a followup to something I

                                                                                  posted ....

                                                                                   

                                                                                  AND: getting all this in email clutters my online version of my mailbox and

                                                                                  makes it in-navigable. Some idiot probably wanted to flash flash prowess

                                                                                  ....reminds me of quite a  few computer games that started with a lot of

                                                                                  gameplay and ended up containing only empty graphics.

                                                                                   

                                                                                     Kind regards

                                                                                   

                                                                                     Peter Larsen

                                                                                   

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Imminent Forum Demise
                                                                                    Eric S 1 Community Member

                                                                                    I too was getting the e-mails all the time.  Then I went to Your Stuff>Preferences and chose to stop receiving e-mail notifications.  I haven't received any since.

                                                                                    Making e-mail notifications the default is really stupid and annoying, especially for folks who post on a number of different threads.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I have to agree that it is ridiculous for forum users to have to wade through entire threads to get to the unread posts.  I also agree that it is blindly stupid for Audition forum users not to be able to post audio files.  This, to me, is an obvious indication that the forums were designed by the Flash/Photoshop/Premiere folks, who might not even be aware they have an audio section of the company.

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