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You have the choice in Bridge of using:
Open: to Open directly into Photoshop-hosted ACR with accompanying Metadata intact;
Shift Open: To open in Photoshop as a Smart Object;
Option Open: to Open directly into Photoshop without updating the Metadata.
One way of dealing with the issue, which I like to use, is to click "Done" in Bridge-hosted ACR (to lock-in my ACR edits); then either double-click on the thumbnail or (click "Open" out of Bridge-hosted ACR).
When the Tiff opens in Photoshop, the ACR-edits are automatically applied; and I then SaveAs to a .psd with the same name.
I can then do any Photoshop editing on the PSD file while leaving the original ACR-edited Tiff in reserve and unsullied by further manipulation.
What Ann says is how it works on my computer. I have not experienced the problem you have described. It doesn't matter whether I open the file directly from ACR or whether I close the first and later open them directly in Photoshop. The changes that I made in ACR are always there.
Perhaps the differences I was seeing between say, Clarity and doing similar with USM was due to that the image was opening in PS without the RAW conversions.
Ann, Jim, if you can, try this. Open a tiff in RAW. do a major correction easily spotted. Hit Open.
Go back to Bridge, right click that image, Open in CS3, and you should get it w/o the correction applied.
Curiously, reversing the procedure doesn't work. If you open in CS3 first, then go back to Bridge, open in RAW, then try to Open from RAW, it will not work. The first way you wind up with two images, the second method, only one, the uncorrected.
I tried it with an NEF file, and opening it using right click, then CS3, automatically goes RAW first.
I can see the advantage of opening a tiff with or without corrections, but the procedure should be clear. Maybe I missed something along the way, or maybe my system really is different. I know Ann is on Mac, I'm on PC, Jim???
You have to do this a bit differently from the way that you were trying to do it.
Try it this way:
Open a tiff in RAW and do a major correction. Hit Option/AltOpen.
That opens the image directly into Photoshop with the ACR changes that you made but does NOT change the metadata, and the image is still unchanged in Bridge.
Only if you do it that way can you go back to Bridge, right click that image, Open in CS3, and get it in its original state w/o the correction applied.
Perhaps it's platform related?
The thing is, doing it my way does change the metadata, as the Bridge preview exhibits the change. But opening that same image straight into PS will not reflect the change in metadata. Doing it your way does what you say, and the Preview in Bridge reflects the fact that the metadata wasn't saved. My way the Preview window does show the change in metadata, but opening that image straight into PS drops the data.
I don't know, either I'm not understanding the problem or else I'm not technical enough to realize what is going on. Here is what I did:
Opened a tiff image in Camera Raw and significantly cropped it. Clicked Done.
Right clicked on the image in Bridge and chose to open it in Photoshop.
On my computer it still opened in Camera Raw because I have chosen to prefer Camera Raw for JPEG and tiff images.
Closed Camera Raw without making any additional changes, the image is still cropped.
Did a shift/double click to open the image. This time it opened directly into Photoshop, bypassed Camera Raw, and it was still the cropped image.
However, the thumbnail image in Bridge never did reflect the crop that I made. The preview window showed the cropped image, but the thumbnail never did change. This just seems to be an ongoing anomaly that I haven't figured out.
Like I said, I have chosen the options to prefer Camera Raw for JPEG and tiff images. But everything seems to be working the way I expect it to work.
>However, the thumbnail image in Bridge never did reflect the crop that I made. The preview window showed the cropped image, but the thumbnail never did change. >
That is very odd because both Thumbnail and Preview are definitely displaying the ACR-applied crop on my machine.
I think part of the problem is that I'm on a rather obsolete PC, and thumbnail refreshing has been quirky ever since I started using Bridge and CS2. Haven't found a solution, have quit working for one.
I have "Always Open...." for both jpeg and Tiff unchecked.
I also notice discrepancies between Thumbs and Preview.
It's a major pain. I have a printing job for a client requiring layouts to 30x40 boards, and importing the images from sources is really messed. If I choose to open without going to Bridge, some images which have been tweaked in ACR will open without the tweaks. At one point, things got so messed up that I had to close and reboot. Bridge had several .exe's loaded in Processes, (there should only be one which should disappear when you exit the process)and I could not close them all, so I had to reboot.
This is a really basic and probably stupid question, but I can't get either tiffs or jpegs to open in ACR. The just open in CS3. I don't see any dialog or anything that asks if I want to open in ACR. Thanks for any help.
I just posted the previous message and got a jpeg to open in ACR. If the jpeg and tiff are saved in CS3 will they then go back directly to CS3 or can you open those with ACR?
In the Bridge preferences, in the Thumbnails section, the very first check box says, "Prefer Adobe Camera Raw for JPEG and Tiff Files." I have a check mark in that box. Also, in Bridge, in the Camera Raw preferences, there are check boxes at the bottom to always open JPEG and tiff images with settings in Camera Raw. I have checkmarks in both of those boxes as well. On my computer this seems to allow me to open JPEG and tiff images consistently in Camera Raw. If I ever want to bypass Camera Raw, I simply hold down the shift key while I open the file. This is working for me on my computer. But from the reading I have done it seems that some people are having difficulty making this work properly. I am on a PC, Windows XP.
The files open in CS3, they simply leave the added metadata behind, unless I open from Bridge.
Sucky, sucky! I have close to two unbillable hours due to this.
>In the Bridge preferences, in the Thumbnails section, "Prefer Adobe Camera Raw for JPEG and Tiff Files." I have a check mark in that box.
>in the Camera Raw preferences, there are check boxes at the bottom to always open JPEG and tiff images with settings in Camera Raw. I have checkmarks in both of those boxes as well.
I do too.
>The files open in CS3, they simply leave the added metadata behind, unless I open from Bridge. >
The answer is surely to for you to always open from Bridge then; or with a Right-Click Open?
It seems to work differently on a Mac.
If I Open directly from within Photoshop, and the Tiff has previously been through ACR so that it has metadata attached, it always opens in Photoshop-hosted ACR anyway.
i If I Open directly from within Photoshop, and the Tiff has previously been through ACR so that it has metadata attached, it always opens in Photoshop-hosted ACR anyway.
That's what I thought was happening, but it doesn't. Open PS, go to "Open" find the file, lose metadata.
>Open PS, go to "Open" find the file, lose metadata.
This is how it works on a Mac: Go to File > Open, select a TIFF, a "Format" button magically appears at the bottom left-hand corner of the dialog box, click on it and select Camera Raw from the pop-up menu.
Good Catch, Ramon!!
It is different in PC: you get a box stating "Use Adobe Dialog" The file then opens with metadata. Interestingly, when you are in the Adobe Dialog, you now have a box that says "Use OS Dialog".
That actually does, then, what I would like to see ideally: A choice of either with or without metadata without going to ACR.
If I remember correctly, on the Mac you ONLY get the ""Use Adobe Dialog/Use OS Dialog" choice if you have the full suite (or is it Version Cue?). At any event, I don't see it.
Found it: it's Version Cue.
From the Help files:
In Version Cue-enabled Creative Suite components, you can use the Adobe dialog box when you choose the Open, Import, Export, Place, Save, or Save As commands. The Adobe dialog box gives you access to Version Cue commands and controls, and displays thumbnails and other information that make it easy to identify files.
To use the Adobe dialog box, click Use Adobe Dialog in the Open, Import, Export, Place, Save, or Save As dialog box.
So, folks, it's perfectly normal for us not to see said button if we don't have Version Cue.
I don't have Version Cue, since I don't have the Suite. Yet the button is there and operational.
Not according to the Help files. The default installation installs Version Cue scripts if you let it, even if you don't have the suite.
Check your Bridge > Preferences > Startup Scripts > Adobe Version Cue
In all likelihood you DO have Version Cue. I have it turned off, because Version Cue is irrelevant in a one-man operation.
Yep, it's there, but both references to Version Cue are unchecked. For reasons mentioned. Apparently, it does not disable the button.
I gotta go off to bed. Looong drive to Intel (Aaargh!).
Only two more weeks left to the contract, and boy, am I ready to never go back!
Your install defies the Help files.
I haven't looked at them yet, Ramon. Perhaps PC setup is different. I'll take a look when I get home tonight.
The Help files are supposed to be platform agnostic. <br /> <br /> But I though of something else: You may have enabled Version Cue in Photoshop preferences. That would carry over to Bridge and all other components of the suite, for those who have the whole suite. <br /> <br />c <a href="http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=10xtEZFPfVEth225c3yWgVFQWOFM" /></a> <img alt="Picture hosted by Pixentral" src="http://www.pixentral.com/hosted/10xtEZFPfVEth225c3yWgVFQWOFM_thumb.jpg" border="0" />
I have it enabled in PS. A bit of a stretch to think VC figures when opening a file from Bridge, but not to far of a stretch.
Thanks again, Ramon.
Not just from Bridge, but from ANY of the Adobe suite applications. Unless Version Cue is enabled somewhere along the line, you do NOT get the choice of Adobe v. OS dialog in Import, Export, Save and Open dialog boxes in any of the suite applications. It doesn't matter where you enable Version Cue, it affects everything right away, like AIDS or the plague.