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No changes should ever be made to a raw file. All the changes should be recorded to a sidecar file or in the Camera Raw database. The changes are remembered, but you can clear them. But the raw file itself remains untouched.
In Bridge, select one such image, go to the Edit menu > Develop Settings > Clear Settings. The adjustments will be stripped away, since your RAW image remains untouched
It's a good idea to read the Help files.
Thank you Ramón. That certainly saves a lot of work. The help file did nothing for me at all. It just seems to say what you can do, not how to accomplish it, therefore, I feel forced to post in the forum. I did try the help file before posting. Im finding the help in CS3 and Bridge to really be no help at all. Ive been processing images in Paint Shop Pro and Nikon Capture for years, but am new to Photoshop, and many tools and processes to accomplish work is very different.
Thanks John. Thats what Ive read, but never read how to accomplish clearing them.
I must say that I agree with Wingspar concerning the quality (or the lack thre-of!) of both the Help files and the PDF Manual.
It really is about time that Adobe hired some decent, and competent, writers to produce their Help and User's Guides.
You really HAVE to buy one of the third-party books on using Photoshop such as Bruce Fraser and David Blatner's "Real World Photoshop" if you hope to make any sense out of Photoshop.
[ Fortunately, I notice that there WILL be a CS3 edition. David, and two other writers, are apparently working on an update to Bruce's work. ]
Although ACR does not make any changes to the raw file, all of the adjustments that you make are stored as metadata. One way to get around this would be to make the changes to the raw file and save the JPEG images and then click on the Cancel button in ACR. That would cancel all the changes that you made to the raw image, but the JPEG images would have been created while the changes are applied. But if you make changes to your raw image and then click on the Done button, any changes that you have made to your raw file are going to be written to the metadata. You can always clear the camera raw settings either in Bridge or in ACR at any time and have the picture look the same as it did in the beginning because those pixels never change.
>Although ACR does not make any changes to the raw file, all of the adjustments that you make are stored as metadata
This is an oxymoron.
However, it's easy to solve without Bridge as well: in ACR click on Camera Raw Preferences, the first option is "Save image settings in:".
>Although ACR does not make any changes to the raw file, all of the adjustments that you make are stored as metadata
>This is an oxymoron.
Why is it?
ACR does NOT make changes to the IMAGE DATA (the Camera RAW image itself).
It just attaches additional information (metadata) to an accompanying "Sidecar" file which can be used (or not!) when the user elects to Save the file to a new name, or in a different format.
This is rather similar to the concept of the difference between "Physical Changes" and "Chemical Changes" in chemistry.
>ACR does NOT make changes to the IMAGE DATA (the Camera RAW image itself)
1. The statement was, that it does not make changes to the RAW FILE.
2. It is not about semantics; it is an important issue.
a. If someone wants to archive the processing parameters, one has to archive the entire file.
b. One may want to keep several versions of the raw processing of the same image. With the embedded metadata one has to keep several versions of the entire image. With sidecars one can keep several versions of the sidecar (by renaming it; ACR sucks in this point).
It is IMO *paramount*, that there be *only one* "original".
The RAW file IS the original and in the case of a camera-generated file, it is the ONLY "original".
You want to keep numerous variations of ACR editing adjustments available?
Just Save your "ACR Settings" as such and then apply any of them (through the Develop command) as often as you like.
If you want to archive the embedded parameters as well, then you have several versions of the raw file.
I don't know any "Develop command" in ACR; I am not proficiant with ACR.
I don't want to have to go in circles to solve a trivial problem. Raw Shooter has lots of disadvantages, but I am still using it because of its handling of multiple versions.
>I don't know any "Develop command" in ACR; I am not proficiant with ACR. >
Well that's really the problem isn't it? In a nutshell?
The tools that you need to do exactly what you want to do are already included in ACR 4.1.
You might benefit from spending a little time to see what the program actually provides before blasting it from here to Kingdom Come!
That's nice, but do you mind explaining, where this "Develop command" is? The help index does not contain any word with "develop".
In Bridge, go to the Edit Menu/Develop Settings .
You can then apply any ACR Settings which you have saved to as many thumbnails that you have Selected all in one fell swoop.
And you can clear all ACR metadata from any thumbnail by using
Bridge/Edit Menu/Develop Settings ./Clear Settings.
I don't have Bridge.
>The tools that you need to do exactly what you want to do are already included in ACR 4.1
This is called "foot in the mouth sickness", isn't it?
So how are you running ACR 4.1 then?
If you have purchased Photoshop CS3 then you have Bridge CS3 too.
In Photoshop-hosted ACR 4.1, you can apply saved ACR Settings from the flyout menu at the top of the palette.
But using Bridge to host ACR offers substantial advantages.
> I don't have Bridge.
What software are you running to host ACR 4.1? Photoshop Elements? ACR is severely crippled in Photoshop Elements.
If you have an older version of Photoshop, then you also have a crippled, obsolete version of ACR.
I do have CS3 and Bridge, but I don't need Bridge, so I did not even start it.
The saved ACR settings in PS ACR are no substitute for what I need; I have many thousands of settings, I need them automatically.
My workflow-problem is not solved even with the saving in Bridge; what I need is the kind of parallel handling of parameter sets, as Raw Shooter is doing it.
Well just use carry on using Raw Shooter then as it is more than obvious that you have not made any effort to learn how to use the new tools in CS3/ACR 4.1.
But I do find it more than a little odd that you persist in knocking a program that you obviously know virtually nothing about.
I do find a little odd, that you think to know what I know about ACR. Until know you did not come up with any viable solution to the problem I described. Btw, I did test ACR so far, that I realized, that it does not solve this issue.
Anyway, it's past midnight here, so g'd night.
> "No changes should ever be made to a raw file".
Unless it is a DNG file!
Okay, it looks like I need to clarify my oxymoronic statement. First of all, I need to stipulate that I use XMP files with my raw images when I use the original original raw files and not DNG files. And since this is the Camera Raw forum I was talking specifically about raw images. So in that context of how I use raw files, the raw file is not changed at all. The metadata changes are stored in the external XMP file and the original raw file remains unchanged. I might be wrong, but I have assumed that this is the way most people have their workflow established. But maybe I am wrong.
In the case of DNG files, ACR is able to write the metadata to the header of the DNG file without altering the picture data. Hopefully this will clarify my statement.
Yes, I also realize that Pentax and some other camera makers offer DNG as a native raw format. The same DNG statement that I made applies to those images as well.
>The metadata changes are stored in the external XMP file and the original raw file remains unchanged
IMO this is *the* way to do it.
>In the case of DNG files, ACR is able to write the metadata to the header of the DNG file without altering the picture data
That's not the point. ACR can store the parameters in a "native" raw file as well without changing the image data; the parameters will be stored the very same way as in a DNG file.
However, what is your "original" now? What do you archive if you want to archive the conversion parameters as well? What if you change the conversion parameters after archivation?
I for myself create archive copies (there is no difference between archive and backup in this concept) *before* processing the image. After processing I archive the conversion parameters as well.
No, ACR cannot store metadata in the native raw file. If you choose not to use external XMP files, then ACR stores those metadata changes in a central database. ACR does not write anything to a native raw file.
As far as archiving is concerned, I don't think it matters which file you archive. Those metadata changes can always be discarded, restoring the "look" of the original downloaded image.
> I do have CS3 and Bridge, but I don't need Bridge, so I did not even start it.
How do you open ACR if you dont first open Bridge? Is there a shortcut?
You can use the File/Open command in Photoshop if you want to. But personally, I prefer using Bridge.
>If you choose not to use external XMP files, then ACR stores those metadata changes in a central database
I am happy about that. I thought it would write back into the original. Very good so.
>As far as archiving is concerned, I don't think it matters which file you archive
Of course it matters, when you change the parameters and want to archive the new settings.
>How do you open ACR if you dont first open Bridge?
I don't open ACR but one or more raw files; this starts ACR.
I'm sorry man, but you seem to be running me in circles. You talk about which to save, the original or the one with changes. Then you say that it matters in case you want to save the file with different metadata parameters. If you do that, then you're not saving the original anyway. It seems to me that the smart thing to do would be to save a DNG file with all of the parameters. After you save that DNG file from ACR (hence, a copy of the original raw image plus metadata changes), then just cancel the ACR session on the original raw image and its metadata will remain unchanged.
>I don't open ACR but one or more raw files; this starts ACR.>
by opening the ACR window in Photoshop ONE single image at a time.
That is a really inefficient and unproductive way to work when you could be using the far more effective Bridge-hosted ACR.
Do take the trouble to master Bridge because I don't think that you realise just how much you are limiting yourself by refusing to use it.
The problem here is that G Sch is totally out of his depth as he admitted in Message #11
>I don't know any "Develop command" in ACR; I am not proficiant with ACR.>
He unfortunately does not seem to be able to grasp the principles of Metadata or understand the difference between Sidecars and file-embedded metadata in a DNG.
Sadly, he also appears to be not only obtuse, but incredibly stubborn in holding on to to his misconceptions and prejudices.
>I don't open ACR but one or more raw files; this starts ACR
Ok, I tried that, and it works. Thats ok if Ive just got one image to work on. I dont shoot RAW much, but when I do, its never just one image, but can sometimes be over 100 images. Id rather open ACR thru Bridge. Makes it so much easier to see what Im doing. Thanks for that tip tho.
>by opening the ACR window in Photoshop ONE single image at a time
I'm happy to tell you about a feature of PS: you can select *several files* at the same time and open all of them; this works with raw files and ACR as well.
You dont need Bridge to open more than one file in ACR.
That's fine if you really find the Apple Finder preferable to Bridge for seeing what you are opening.
Just seems an odd way to choose to work when there such a superior alternative available.
And you are tying up photoshop to process a myriad of files when that could all be happening in Bridge in the background while you use Photoshop simultaneously for more important work.
No accounting for tastes
Ok, I'm lost. Why would you want to open files in the background? When I open them, I want them now, not in the background. What else would I be doing except waiting for them to open so I can do what I want with them?
Inquiring minds want to know! :D
Opening a set of raw images in Bridge/ACR happens the same way as in PS, obviously, because it's ACR, not PS: ACR opens and displays the first image, you can start work on it, white the following images will be opened. The difference is, that Bridge asks you if you really want to open so many images (I tried it with 18), while PS does not care.
That is, in fact, the answer. Neither Photoshop nor Bridge can open RAW files, only ACR can. The question is whether ACR is being hosted by Photoshop or by Bridge.