23 Replies Latest reply on May 13, 2008 7:54 AM by (Ant_Clausen)

    CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save

      I have looked at other posting and while similar I could not find the answer. I'm using XP Pro with CS3 ACR and Photoshop.

      What I'm trying to do is to automate the Load, Edit, Save and Load the next Raw file and continue doing the same.

      As of now I load Bridge to a folder with 300 Raw files. I take the first one, right click, load ACR, edit to my liking and save. I now have to close ACR go to the next picture, right click again ACR edit and save and so on.

      I would like to open the first picture on Bridge with ACR and have the option to edit each and not automate the edit process, after I edit and choose save is there a way to automate and load the next file ready for edit and each time I save the next one will load instead of having to close out ACR each time?

      I was able to do this in Capture One but I know prefer the new ACR but it slows me down a bit.

      I'm kind of new at this and appreciate all the help.

      Thank you,
      JB
        • 1. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
          Thomas Knoll Level 2
          Why not use the filmstrip mode of Camera Raw?
          • 2. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
            Level 1
            Hmmm, are you saying to select "ALL" Raw files under Bridge and open all of them in ACR creating a filmstrip scroll on the left?

            I guess that would work and never though of this. I could edit each and click save and go on to the next, correct?

            Thank you,
            JB
            • 3. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
              Level 1
              Forgot to ask...

              Is there way to eliminate the save window from popping up every time you choose save and just go one to edit the next file on the film strip? Saving in the same folder or directory.

              Thank you,
              JB
              • 4. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                Level 1
                Sounds like what you are looking for is Batch processing.

                The following is my handling of Batch processing. Jeff Schewe is the expert. This is a mod of Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS3.

                Batch processing in Bridge is started by going to Tools on the menu bar and selecting Photoshop/Batch. This will bring up the Photoshop Batch dialog box. The batch processing is hosted by Photoshop and not by Bridge. The selected images in Bridge are then processed by the indicated action (defined in Photoshop) in the Batch dialog box.

                The section of the Batch dialog that is titled Play lets you select a Photoshop Set and Action. The action in the set is then started. If the images are RAW files, Camera Raw is started. If the images are TIFF or JPEG, Camera Raw may or may not be started depending upon the setting in the preferences.

                If the image that is being opened is a RAW file, Camera Raw will be scheduled for execution. If the Done button in Camera Raw is clicked on, the XMP file is created and the batch process will start processing the next image. If the Cancel button in Camera Raw is clicked on, a dialog box gives you the option of continuing or stopping the batch processing. If the Open Image button is clicked in Camera Raw, the image will be processed in Photoshop per the batch action.

                I have created a set/action that saves the image to an Action PSD Save folder and then closes. When processing RAW files and pointing the Batch dialog to this action, Camera Raw will start, allow you to process in ACR and then depending upon the button you click on whether or not Photoshop is scheduled.

                The settings in Camera RAW come from the image on the first file opened. Subsequent images stared via the batch take the settings from the previous image if the current image does not have XMP file associated with it. If the current image has a XMP file, the setting for the current file will come from the XMP file. If the settings from the current image are not what is desired, you can click on Image Settings in the Basic dropdown menu or click on a default Camera Raw setting preset (previously created).
                • 5. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                  Thomas Knoll Level 2
                  "Is there way to eliminate the save window from popping up every time you choose save and just go one to edit the next file on the film strip? Saving in the same folder or directory. "

                  Option (mac) or Alt (win) click on the Save button will skip the save dialog.
                  • 6. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                    Level 1
                    "Option (mac) or Alt (win) click on the Save button will skip the save dialog."

                    I'm not sure where exactly I'm supposed to Alt Click, I do see the synchronize tab that mentions in the help pop up Alt Click to skip but I'm not sure what that has to do with each picture saving to the same directory and going on to the next one.

                    Thomas, thank you for the help, let me ask, I noticed the select all tab on top of the film strip. If I edit all the photos first using the film strip without saving each one, then I choose select all, than "Save Images". The location save window will pop up only once then. I can then choose the location and all the raw files will be converted and saved. My question is, will all my edits be also saved that I would have made to each one?

                    Chet, I understand what you are saying about the automated actions but from what I read is that by doing this I will not get to edit each one of the pictures while it's saving or converting in the background and letting me load another to edit.
                    • 7. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                      Level 1
                      You option/Alt click on the Save button (note how the button changes when option/Alt is pressed)...it uses the most recent save settings as they are sticky...so, if you have set to specific format and save options in the Save dlog, those are re-used. If you have set to rename and renumber, the numbering continues from the last one used.

                      The Save from Camera Raw is a way underused and very powerful workflow. You can pop up to 200 images (hosted by Photoshop, more if hosted by Bridge) and process images very quickly right from Camera Raw.
                      • 8. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                        Level 1
                        Jeff,

                        Many thanks for clarifying the Alt Click while hovering over the save button. Wow.. I will be un-installing Capture One as soon as I test this out.

                        The ACR indeed is very powerful using it from Bridge allowing the edit, save and on to the next one.

                        Can you confirm if I edit all without a save and then choose select all and save after all my edits... this should also work correct?

                        Thank you,
                        JB
                        • 9. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                          Level 1
                          >Can you confirm if I edit all without a save and then choose select all and save after all my edits... this should also work correct?

                          Yep..
                          • 10. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                            Level 1
                            I see that my post in this thread was removed by the moderator. Perhaps my post was removed as it did not seem relevant. Following is a more detailed description

                            I believe that this method requires fewer key strokes/clicks than using the save method. Try it and see if you agree (if you have time).

                            Create a folder C:\Action PSD Save. Have an image open in Photoshop. Create Action set titled Save PSD Set. Create action titled Save PSD Action. Click on Record. Go to Menu/File/Save As and select folder C:\Action PSD Save. Click on Menu/File/Close. Click on Stop Playing/Recording. This creates the action.

                            Next start Bridge. Select the images that you wish to process. Go to Menu/Tools/Photoshop/Batch. In the play section of Batch dialog box select the Save PSD Set and Save PSD Action. In the Source section of the dialog set the Source to Bridge and click on OK.

                            From here on out my previous post gives directions.

                            As my previous post was removed I am including a shorter version here.

                            If the image that is being opened is a RAW file, Camera Raw will be scheduled for execution. If the Done button in Camera Raw is clicked on, the XMP file is created and the batch process will start processing the next image. If the Cancel button in Camera Raw is clicked on, a dialog box gives you the option of continuing or stopping the batch processing. If the Open Image button is clicked in Camera Raw, the image will be processed in Photoshop per the batch action.

                            When processing RAW files and pointing the Batch dialog to this action, Camera Raw will start, allow you to process in ACR and then depending upon the button you click on whether or not Photoshop is scheduled.

                            The settings in Camera RAW come from the image on the first file opened. Subsequent images stared via the batch take the settings from the previous image if the current image does not have XMP file associated with it. If the current image has a XMP file, the setting for the current file will come from the XMP file. If the settings from the current image are not what is desired, you can click on Image Settings in the Basic dropdown menu or click on a default Camera Raw setting preset (previously created) to reset the image to the default ACR settings.

                            After completion it will be necessary to copy the images in the folder C:\Action PSD Save to where every you wish and do any Photoshop processing that may be desired (if any).
                            • 11. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                              Level 1
                              Chet,

                              Thank you for the detail info. I do not think you previous post to this one was deleted. The forum software hides and only shows the last two postings with original up on top. If you scroll pass the first post to the bottom right you will see "show all messages", if you click on this it will show all the postings.

                              With regards to your routine, I can now understand how you did this but let me ask... does it save each time an xmp file? Is there a way to just tell it to save to that folder in psd, jpg, tiff, etc?

                              I can see though that the way Jeff and Tom also explained it seems to be pretty much cut and dry. Choose your raw (as many) files, edit all at once or just Alt Click on the "Save" tab and go to the next while it converts in the background.

                              Jim B.
                              • 12. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                Level 1
                                JB Yes an updated XMP is created as well as a PSB file for each image that you click Open Image button. If you click Done only the XMP file is updated. If you click Canceled no XMP is updated.
                                • 13. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                  Level 1
                                  >As my previous post was removed I am including a shorter version here.

                                  Uh, no...click on Show All Messages...

                                  Batch processing is fine if; A, you know how to write actions and B the batching is worked out (not always an easy thing to set up). Even easier is to simply use the Image Processor which eliminates the requirement of writing an action.

                                  But simply using the Save function of Camera Raw, once you discover how to use it, is also an efficient way of processing selected images as you are adjusting images.
                                  • 14. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                    jEFF, ONE THING I NOTICED IN ONE OF YOUR OLDER POSTS: "You can pop up to 200 images (hosted by Photoshop, more if hosted by Bridge) and process images very quickly right from Camera Raw".
                                    i think this may pertain to a problem (one of many) I'm having in cs3. I used to have CS2 and i could select all images from an entire wedding, open in camera Raw and select all and convert to jpg's and save to another folder. Now, in CS3, It will not allow me to open hardly any- i can't even fit all my 100 images from a portrait session in here anymore!!! I notice that Camera Raw pops up in PS now, and i swear i don't remember it doing that in CS2- is there another way to do this? Like you suggested above "more if hosted by Brdige"? how do I do this.?
                                    And while i'm at it, I cannot make Bridge show my edits I've done in Camera Raw! If i open them back up and can see it, but in CS2 it used to show my changes, so i'd know which ones i'd edited or not- I just wish I had my CS2 back!!!!
                                    • 15. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                      Dennis 1111 Level 2
                                      > Like you suggested above "more if hosted by Brdige"? how do I do this.?

                                      Use "File>Open in Camera Raw..." or right-click the group of images and select "Open in Camera Raw".

                                      > And while i'm at it, I cannot make Bridge show my edits I've done in Camera Raw!

                                      If I understand your problem correctly, you probably have your thumbnail preferences set to "Quick Thumbnails". That option shows the small Jpeg embedded in the raw file. Try one of the "High-quality" options.
                                      • 16. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                        Level 1
                                        Thanks Dennis, but I actually have no "open in camera Raw" choice anywhere not under right click or under the file menu either. My only choice is Photoshop CS3 (default). I have googled this issue and see that many others are having this problem too, but none of their suggestions apply to me because i do NOT have that ACR option anywhere. I have gone through the preferences so much that i have them memorized, and cannot find the ACR option anywhere! And my thumbnails are set to high quality, not Quick- so I'm clueless there too?
                                        • 17. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                          Ramón G Castañeda Level 4
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                                          • 18. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                            Level 1
                                            This is going to sound strange- but i do NOT have this option under my general preferences...or under any of those other choices either. My have totally different options that your example.....what in the workd is going on with my version? Thank you for your ehlp though : )I sure wish I had that little box of options!
                                            • 19. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                              JimHess-8IPblY Level 3
                                              Megan,

                                              I can only guess that you are working on a Windows computer. Are you using Vista? The missing Camera Raw options have been mentioned several times by Vista users. Nobody has come up with a solution that works consistently. Sometimes if you hold down the control key while you start Bridge and then choose to reset your preferences it will fix the problem. I had the options disappear momentarily on one occasion and I don't know what restore them because I did not reset the preferences.

                                              Also, I found that if I set the preferences in Bridge to prefer ACR for JPEG and TIF images, but left that option unselected in Photoshop, the two programs work more to my liking.

                                              I don't know how to tell you to fix your problem. But I can assure you that when you finally get ACR working in CS3 you will enjoy all the extra controls that are available. Good luck.
                                              • 20. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                                Level 1
                                                Thank you Jim. I will defintely try your suggestions. And if that doesn't work, I'll just buy Light Room and use that! ha ha!
                                                • 21. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                                  Hi Guys - I think i'm having similar problems.

                                                  What I want to do is to:
                                                  1)Batch process a whole load of RAW files
                                                  2)Make minor exposure adjustments in ACR, then open in PSD, make B&W conversions, sharpen, save, close.
                                                  3) Do this in the one action/automated process

                                                  My problem is - when I record action in PSD, and then open ACR as part of the action, it's not recording this aspect - it's only recording the PSD side of things.

                                                  Please help!

                                                  Thanks,

                                                  Ant.
                                                  • 22. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                                    JimHess-8IPblY Level 3
                                                    Ant,

                                                    There is an excellent chapter in the book, Real World Camera Raw with Photoshop CS3 that deals with automation and how to set up your batch processing. It's worth getting the book. Basically, these are the things you need to do:

                                                    1. Open all your images in ACR and make your adjustments. When finished, click Done.
                                                    2. Start Photoshop, and start recording your action. The steps of the action would include:
                                                    File/Open, then go ahead and open one of your raw images into ACR.
                                                    As soon as it is open in ACR, click on the Open button.
                                                    When the image is opened in Photoshop, do the other editing.
                                                    File/Save As and choose PSD. Go ahead and save the image.
                                                    After the image is saved, close it.
                                                    Stop the recording of the action.

                                                    3. Using Bridge, highlight all of the images that you want to process and choose Tools/Photoshop/Batch...
                                                    4. When the Batch dialog appears in Photoshop, it's important to check Override Action "Open" Commands & Suppress File Open Options Dialogs.
                                                    5. In Destination, choose Folder and specify your destination folder.
                                                    6. Be sure to check Override Action "Save As" Commands.

                                                    The book says that some of these steps may seem counterproductive. But that is how the book tells you to set it up, and it works very well.

                                                    So you want to do all of your ACR editing before you try to run the batch process. Then you can highlight as many images as you want and Photoshop will process them completely unattended.
                                                    • 23. Re: CS3 Bridge, Raw, Convert, Edit, Save
                                                      Level 1
                                                      Thanks so much Jim - a very detailed, comprehensive reply.

                                                      I'm now looking into Lightroom - as that seems to be a 'one-stop shop' for what i'm looking at.

                                                      Cheers again,

                                                      Ant.