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1. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
JETalmage Feb 23, 2009 5:03 AM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)> I have a basic piece of text on a blue background.
I don't know what a blue background is. I assume this is not part of the live style you are trying to build, and is just a blue object behind the text object.
> The appearance of the text has a black stroke of 1pt (under characters(outside)) with a transform applied (Hor=0.2mm Wid=-0.2mm).
What KIND of transform? I don't know of a transform that offers settings for Hor (Horizontal) and Wid (Width?).
> Below this I have another stroke of red at 2pt with the same transform. I would like to somehow punch out the red stroke below with the black stroke to show the blue background through the type.
See why it's important to try to use the terms of the program, and the names of the specific commands you have applied?
It sounds like you have applied some disproportionate scaling to the red and black strokes, and you just want the red stroke to end up offset from the text itself. If that's it, do this:
Leave off the black stroke.
Give the text the red stroke.
Select just the red stroke in the Appearance Palette and give it whatever disproportionate scale you are talking about.
Then, also give it an Offset Path Effect (Effect>Path>OffsetPath).
You might also want to give the red stroke a PathfinderAdd Effect(Effect>PathFinder>Add) to remove overlaps between the characters of the red stroke.
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2. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
lister110@hotmail.com Feb 23, 2009 6:27 AM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)sorry, please find a link to the current settings. I have applied a transform to nudge the stroke across and down. But would like the black to knock out (punch through) leaving just the yellow type and red drop shadow, but showing the blue (or any other background colour) to show through..
http://www.twistedjunkie.eclipse.co.uk/images/effect.png
I hope this makes sense...
thanks
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3. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
Doug Katz Feb 23, 2009 8:50 AM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)1. Place red stroke below type (eliminate black stroke)
2. Effect>Distort & Transform>Transform
3. Move section, set positive Horizontal, negative Vertical... make moves sufficient to expose blue background below. -
4. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
Monika Gause Feb 23, 2009 3:47 PM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)is it this
http://vektorgarten.de/img/tut/transparente-kontur.png
what you want to achieve?
Then give the black stroke an opacity of 0% and set the whole object as knockout group
There must be a thread in this forum on the effect a few weeks ago -
5. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
Doug Katz Feb 23, 2009 8:39 PM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)Monika, not at all clear to me why OP needs the black stroke at all. Why is a black stroke set to 0% opacity superior to no stroke at all? OP doesn't say he wants a black stroke; rather, he wants the black stroke he posted to be entirely see-through to the background. If it's possible to do that by simply eliminating the stroke (see post #3), isn't that the most efficient and elegant approach?
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6. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
Wade S Zimmerman Feb 23, 2009 10:36 PM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)You are not Doug what happened I think is that in the other thread I thought the see through was another stroke so I added a stroke then Monika corrected me saying it was a see through then someone took what I did and came up with making that stroke black and setting it to an opacity of 0%.
What should have happen after my error was made was to eliminate the stroke.
You are correct!
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7. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
lister110@hotmail.com Feb 24, 2009 5:30 AM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)Thats the effect, the black needs to knock out. I'll give that a go.. Thanks -
8. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
lister110@hotmail.com Feb 24, 2009 5:54 AM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)That worked a treat...Thanks... -
9. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
Wade S Zimmerman Feb 24, 2009 1:47 PM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)Glad that worked, doug the art that Monika displayed would not work the way you describe as the stroke would overlap each other and the offset from the transform move seem difficult to achieve that way as well so the knock out group is the way to go. -
10. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
Doug Katz Feb 24, 2009 2:49 PM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)Huh? lister110, which way worked for you? I'm now confused. -
11. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
Wade S Zimmerman Feb 24, 2009 7:15 PM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)He used Monikas method. -
12. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
Doug Katz Feb 25, 2009 8:04 AM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)Then I'm still confused. I looked at lister's posted graphic and seemed to be able to produce what he wanted exactly with the transformation of a second stroke, offsetting it sufficiently to create air between glyph and stroke so background was visible. I genuinely have no investment in this being the "right" way, but I'm failing to understand the downside of this method.
Not about vindication but definitely education. -
13. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
lister110@hotmail.com Feb 25, 2009 10:15 AM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)Both ways would have been sufficient, but the original graphic had a black stroke before. I was then asked to knock out the black to show the background. I could have deleted the stoke and then transformed the red stroke as mentioned above but I thought Monikas method seemed a good way to go..
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14. Re: knock out hole through stroke in appearance pallete
Doug Katz Feb 25, 2009 11:30 AM (in response to lister110@hotmail.com)Ahh. Thanks, lister110. That makes sense. I felt certain it could be done either way and that eliminating the black stroke would be just a little "cleaner" than introducing transparency. But having been handed the art with a black stroke, one-click transparency is probably more expedient than rebuilding the graphic with different effects and transformations.
My mind is at rest.




