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1. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
Talyianna Nov 14, 2008 10:43 AM (in response to Talyianna)One more question regarding this. Our company wants everything to be in the same document. After the Arabic portion of the document is prepared in the ME version, could it then successfully be imported into the English version of ID? Or would I have to export the Arabic pages as PDF files from the ME version first and then place them into the English version of ID? -
2. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
OldBob1957 Nov 14, 2008 11:01 AM (in response to Talyianna)Sorry, I can't answer you main questions, but I did want to mention that I saw in another thread that you can have only ONE version of ID on a computer at one time (English, ME, or whatever). Someone please correct me if this is not true for Macs. But if it is, you will need more than just another copy if ID.
Edit to add: I may be incorrect. See this thread, it may answer some of your questions:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b5b4fa/3 -
3. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
Talyianna Nov 14, 2008 11:31 AM (in response to Talyianna)OldBob, thank you!
That did shed some light on the issue indeed!
Of course now the additional question is whether I CAN indeed have more than one version on the same 'putr. (Hmmm...and the dollar figures are going up here I see...) -
4. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
Talyianna Nov 14, 2008 12:52 PM (in response to Talyianna)Okay, I found out the answers after calling Adobe Sales. And the answer is a lot worse than I had originally anticipated! I thought I would come back here and update everyone so that it will be of help in the future:)
It seems like a SEPARATE Japanese version of InDesign and a SEPARATE Middle Eastern version is required. And, to make matters even more complicated and expensive, these have to each be installed on different computers. Ugh! Our workaround is going to have to be finding someone else to do those documents for those languages as per our specified layouts and then sending us the PDF'd pages for us to place into our own document on our side.
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5. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
Joel Cherney Nov 17, 2008 11:12 AM (in response to Talyianna)You can do Japanese in English ID, after a fashion; there's a sticky thread at the top of the forum discussing this, with links to templates that will allow you to get access to some Japanese-specific formatting techniques. It's not as good as actual Japanese ID, but it will do in a pinch.
It is possible to outline the text in an Arabic document in IDCSME and then export an INX to work on the non-text portions in English ID.
Lastly, the idea of turning formatting over to "someone else" is an extremely good one. It's not a workaround; it's a good workflow. I'm a localization pro in a translation firm, and it's what I do whenever I can. In both of the languages you mentioned, there is an incredibly rich calligraphic tradition, so it's really in your best interest to turn the documentation over to someone who is familiar with the typographical standards in these languages. -
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(Dick_Noordhuizen) Nov 27, 2008 12:02 PM (in response to Talyianna)Hi Christine,
If you're still struggling with the Arabic part of the job, give us a shout. We do this all the time, with indeed an Indesign ME (Middle East) Edition copy.
Also, the Japanse of other CJK-versions only work with a CJK-interface, e.g. all commands in Indesign will be in Chinese, Japanse or Korean and not in English, etc.
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Vernox Nov 27, 2008 12:59 PM (in response to Talyianna)Did they say why the copies have to be on separate computers? I presume that you would have three separate serial numbers?
Yours
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(Dick_Noordhuizen) Nov 27, 2008 1:19 PM (in response to Talyianna)Hi Vern,
I checked this last month, because I wanted to upgrade by Indesign ME from CS2 to CS3. The problem is not the serial numbers, which are unique. The problem is that only 1 version of Indesign (possibly also for other CS-suite products) can run (more accurately be LOCATED) on the same computer.
I already had a 'normal' CS3 suite, and a ME-edition CS2 Indesign and CS2 Illustrator running at the same time. No problem there, but 2x CS3 is impossible. Workaround is installing the second version on a separate harddrive. In my case, I'll wait for CS4 ME (any time now), so there is no conflict with the existing CS3-suite. And in another 1.5 years I upgrade CS3 to CS5, etc. etc. -
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Vernox Nov 28, 2008 9:30 AM (in response to Talyianna)If you are running a Mac, you could create separate user accounts and install each copy in the individual user applications folders. That would solve the problem, though running all three concurrently through fast user switching would take a lot of resources, so you would need a machine with tons of memory.
Yours
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10. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
Nini Tjäder Nov 28, 2008 2:15 PM (in response to Talyianna)Vern,
The applications folder is the same for all users on the same Mac. There isn't different ones for each user. -
11. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
Vernox Nov 30, 2008 10:23 AM (in response to Talyianna)Good catch,Nini. This is what happens when you get so used to doing something, you think it's the standard installation.
You have to create an application folder for each user (I do, for example all my machines have a "repair" user that I install a few utilities into for troubleshooting), because Apple doesn't create them by default.
But the point about installing applications into a user home folder remains, doing so isolates the application from the other user spaces and applications can be run concurrently through fast user switching.
Yours
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12. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
(Kate_Kingsley) Dec 9, 2008 1:55 PM (in response to Talyianna)I have a similar problem. I am hoping to have a client provided word document in Arabic and then copy and paste into CS3. Is this even possible? -
13. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
(Dick_Noordhuizen) Dec 10, 2008 12:11 AM (in response to Talyianna)Hi Kate,
This is possible, but you MUST have a Middle East (ME) Edition of Indesign (of Illustrator for 1 page layouts). 'Normal' Indesign with not properly typeset semitic languages like Arabic, Farsi, Hebrew, etc. If you have any problems, mail me a private message. Good Luck! -
14. Re: InDesign documents in Arabic and Japanese... how many extra ID versions do we need?
Talyianna Feb 12, 2009 11:35 AM (in response to Talyianna)Dick,
I just revisited this thread. I got busy with a bunch of other projects and only now has it been necessary to revisit this issue. Is it only the ME version that you work with?
Thanks,
Christine -
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Mr. Met Feb 12, 2009 11:39 AM (in response to Talyianna)If these are projects you once or twice a year, a professional translation company is your best option. Not cheap but formatting will be done correctly.
I'm a little confused about ID. I have CS3 and 4 on my computer and jump in and out of each one all the time. -
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Talyianna Feb 12, 2009 11:50 AM (in response to Talyianna)Richard, could we then take the text from the translation company and plop it into InDesign CS4?
I am now redirecting all further discussion regarding this to a new thread at http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b7e5cb because there are quite a few more languages added into the mix now.
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Joel Cherney Feb 12, 2009 4:09 PM (in response to Talyianna)This isn't really applicable in your new thread, so to respond to your last question, I'm quoting Richard:
> a professional translation company is your best option. Not cheap but formatting will be done correctly.
So, no, you don't take the text from the translation firm and drop it into InDesign. You give your translation firm the InDesign file, so they can format it for you. This can be costly, but it's better than allowing your materials to go to print with glaring errors induced by designers unfamiliar with the script(s) in question.
Once that's done, then all you need is an install of CS4 that can successfully open up your provider's IDCS4ME file in case you need to nudge a logo or update a page number, or some other non-critical task that doesn't require comprehension of the text. -
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Mr. Met Feb 12, 2009 4:51 PM (in response to Talyianna)Good point Joel. I usually deal with Spanish or Portuguese which I can format in ID. But once I have a rough, I send the ID file to the translator to make sure my styles are correct for headers, subheads, pull quotes, etc.



