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1. Re: Paper weight conversion...do NOT kill me for asking this here!!
Mr. Met Jan 26, 2009 1:44 PM (in response to Talyianna)A 12pt cover stock and a 120# cover stock would be close but not identical. However, you can have 100# text and 100# cover, You don't specify text or cover so I thought I'd point that out.
If you sent out a quote request for 120# text (which I'm not even sure exist) you should definitely not be getting bids with 12 or 14pt stock. Anything with a pt is cover weight. If you requested 120# cover, 12 pt would be acceptable alternative but 14 pt would be heavier and, if a trifold, a much bulkier piece when folded. 14pt is used a lot for business cards these days. Extremely thick.
You would also have to spec out if the stock is gloss, matte or some other finish.
I just checked my Mead Coated swatchbook and 105# is the heaviest text weight in this particular book. -
2. Re: Paper weight conversion...do NOT kill me for asking this here!!
Talyianna Jan 26, 2009 1:55 PM (in response to Talyianna)Richard, thank you SO much!:)
Sorry...I forgot to include the fact that it was gloss cover stock.
Is there any place on the web I can go to for reference to find some detailed information on all of this?
Christine -
3. Re: Paper weight conversion...do NOT kill me for asking this here!!
Mr. Met Jan 26, 2009 1:59 PM (in response to Talyianna)Try this one:
Print Production
You should also have paper swatchbooks on hand when specing a job. I have dozens but you can get by with a quality stationery book such as Neenah Classic Crest and Strathmore Writing. Both companies also make papers with linen and laid finish. You'll have to google that to see an example.
You'll also want gloss and/or matte swatchbooks from Sterling, Carolina or Mead. These are three of the more prominent paper merchants for coated stocks.
Go to any of their websites and request swatchbooks. If there is an xpedx or pick quick papers in your area, they have swatchbooks on site you can have for free. These are two vendors that sell paper in small quantities to printers. -
4. Re: Paper weight conversion...do NOT kill me for asking this here!!
Talyianna Jan 26, 2009 2:03 PM (in response to Talyianna)Thank you Richard!
Some GREAT info there!
I REALLY really appreciate your help with this! :)
Christine -
5. Re: Paper weight conversion...do NOT kill me for asking this here!!
Mr. Met Jan 26, 2009 2:07 PM (in response to Talyianna)Your smartest move would be to order swatchbooks which are free so you can see and feel paper samples before specing a job. -
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Heather Bell Jan 26, 2009 2:12 PM (in response to Talyianna)Here is a page with a fairly accurate chart I found. Are you sure you wanted 120# cover stock? 12pt is the "standard" thick stock; or 14pt, as Bob stated for business cards, which is a VERY hard thick stock. 120# is roughly equivalent to a 15 pt, which is even thicker than that... what is the job?
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7. Re: Paper weight conversion...do NOT kill me for asking this here!!
Tony Morse Jan 26, 2009 3:46 PM (in response to Talyianna)Another reason to request swatch books is that not all stocks of the same "weight" are the same "thickness," believe it or not. We run an iGen3 here, and the Xerox stocks that are recommended are the same basis weight as our house stocks but mic considerably thinner. While they weight the same I think they are calendared longer and end up thinner. -
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Talyianna Jan 26, 2009 4:44 PM (in response to Talyianna)The job is a huge batch of presentation folders. They have been done in 120# Century gloss cover stock in the past.
This time around I was asking for quotes on House gloss cover stock as well.
Thanks again everyone for your advice!:) This is a HUGE help!
I am going to look into ordering those paper swatches now. -
9. Re: Paper weight conversion...do NOT kill me for asking this here!!
Mr. Met Jan 27, 2009 5:01 AM (in response to Talyianna)What's a huge batch? A folder vendor like Folder Express may be cheaper than going on press and sending out to a bindery to assemble. -
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Talyianna Jan 27, 2009 9:25 AM (in response to Talyianna)Richard,
We are doing 5000 of these. -
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Heather Bell Jan 27, 2009 10:25 AM (in response to Talyianna)I'd at least get the quote from Folder Express too. They have a 16pt C1s. -
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Mr. Met Jan 27, 2009 11:28 AM (in response to Talyianna)I just got my folder express catalog. Is it 2C, 4C? Heavy coverage? UV coating?

