16 Replies Latest reply: Feb 11, 2009 12:04 PM by Michael Gianino RSS

    Print to edge of paper

      I have forgotten how to make a page print all the way to the edge of the paper, and I cannot remember what that effect is named. Thus, I can't find an answer in the FAQ's. Thank you for any help.
        • 1. Re: Print to edge of paper
          Michael Gianino Community Member
          "Bleed" is when you print to a page size that is larger than your finished piece with trim marks indicating the trim size, and is printed so that the image extends beyond the trim marks. When trimmed through the excess image, the remaining image extends all the way to one or more of the edges.

          Is that what you were thinking of?
          • 2. Re: Print to edge of paper
            Community Member
            A lot of Inkjet printers can print to the edge and the term "Borderless" is possibly used in the print driver options.
            • 3. Re: Print to edge of paper
              Community Member
              Bleed, that was it Michael. Thank you. I cannot seem to get the bleed set to print to the edges of the page. InDesign document setup doesn't allow for a minus number for bleed. Any suggestions?
              • 4. Re: Print to edge of paper
                Michael Gianino Community Member
                You want to use a positive number. The larger the number, the farther out past the trim area the bleed will extend. If you could use a negative number, I suppose it would contract the image onto the page, and you would get blank paper at the edges instead of image.

                Are your crop marks on, and is the page you are printing to large enough to hold the page plus the trim marks and bleed?
                • 5. Re: Print to edge of paper
                  Community Member
                  I'm not having success, Michael. Using positive numbers for bleed increased the white border area. I went back to zero, the scaled the grouped images up 3%, and just chopped peoples heads off. When I go back to the document default (saved) I get a 3/8 border of white paper all the way around. i do thank you, sir, but I think I will put it away for the weekend. have a good one!
                  • 6. Re: Print to edge of paper
                    Mr. Met Community Member
                    If you create a new document, you have the option of setting bleed. .125 is commercial standard for majority of offset print jobs though some printers prefer .25 bleed. Critical information, like text, may need to be .125 from the edge of the sheet. This area is your safety and you set this in margins. So when you make a new doc with defined safety and bleed, you should see 3 boxes: Black for the actual page, an outer red box indicating bleed area and inner red or magenta box indicating safety.
                    • 7. Re: Print to edge of paper
                      Michael Gianino Community Member
                      Can you post a screenshot of your page? Make sure the guides are on so we can see everything
                      • 8. Re: Print to edge of paper
                        BobLevine CommunityMVP
                        If you are truly trying to print to the edge of the paper you need a
                        printer capable of borderless printing.

                        If you don't see that setting in the printer software then it can't be done.

                        Bob
                        • 9. Re: Print to edge of paper
                          Mr. Met Community Member
                          Other than photo printers, no laser, digital or offset printer can print edge to edge. No such thing as borderless printing in commercial printing. <br /> <br />Here's a brief explanation of what bleed is. The middle image has trim marks. Everything outside the trim marks gets trimmed (cut off) leaving a finished bus cd (bottom image) that has art to the "edge" of the card. <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1v3uESkVXBNq9AQhXGEF1oZZvhUoA" /></a> <img alt="Picture hosted by Pixentral" src="http://www.pixentral.com/hosted/1v3uESkVXBNq9AQhXGEF1oZZvhUoA_thumb.jpg" border="0" />
                          • 10. Re: Print to edge of paper
                            RodneyA Community Member
                            Actually, my old Xerox "Phaser" laser printer could print to the edge of the page -- or impressively close, anyway. But if that's what the original poster meant, it's printer specific and you need to go into the Page Setup dialog (ignoring Indesign's warnings) and look in the "printer features" pages for an "edge to edge" printing option. Xerox's logic in not making that on by default escapes me. Why would anyone would want an artificial margin when the printer is capable of edge to edge?
                            • 11. Re: Print to edge of paper
                              Community Member
                              Thanks to everyone. It turns out that my printer lacks edge to edge capability. I was able to print a normal copy, then scan and copy it at 107%. That filled the page, but the picture quality suffered. I have reached the "acceptance" stage;-) In an effort to single handedly jump start the economy I will purchase a printer that will do edge to edge jobs. Thank you all very much for the comments.
                              • 12. Re: Print to edge of paper
                                Dov Isaacs Employee Hosts
                                One of the reasons why most digital printers either don't provide full edge-to-edge printing or if they have it, don't by default enable it, is the problem of bleed. In traditional offset printing, you handle edge-to-edge by printing to paper larger than your logical page size and trimming the excess off. That way, you don't have ink slopping off the edges on the press. But most laser printers and their users don't user such oversize papers and don't cut all output to final logical page sizes. (That option is often available, though, on B-size laser printers that accept 12x18 paper that can be used to print edge-to-edge - i.e. bleeds - for output to be cut to 11x17. Similarly, 9x12 paper could be used on such printers to bleed 8.5x11.)

                                - Dov
                                • 13. Re: Print to edge of paper
                                  Community Member
                                  >In traditional offset printing, you handle edge-to-edge by printing to paper larger than your logical page size and trimming the excess off. That way, you don't have ink slopping off the edges on the press.

                                  This is a good point to keep in mind. If you do very much Borderless printing you will be spraying past the edge of the paper causing buildup on your rollers that can cause ink blotches and globs after a time. You would be better off getting a printer that will take an oversize sheet and trim it.
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                                    Vernox Community Member
                                    I've had a couple of Xerox laser printers over the years that would print edge to edge, but it was always more trouble than it was worth, due to toner buildup on the rollers. When we had to do it, we always had to open them up, wipe off the rolls and run a few blank sheets to clean the internals.

                                    Yours
                                    Vern
                                    • 15. Re: Print to edge of paper
                                      Kath-H Community Member
                                      We use a Konica-Minolta Bizhub that takes paper up to 311mm wide (no idea what that is in American) and allows for crops & bleeds on A3. The only sensible way to do it IMO.
                                      • 16. Re: Print to edge of paper
                                        Michael Gianino Community Member
                                        >311mm wide (no idea what that is in American)

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