18 Replies Latest reply on Nov 11, 2008 1:41 AM by malcster2

    Site Rating

    malcster2 Level 1
      hello

      this site is far from finished, by i would be interested in ANY Constructive advice anyone may have.

      thanks

      whoops, i forgot this part.... http://www.bwise-webdevelopment.co.uk/index.html
        • 1. Re: Site Rating
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          "malcster2" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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          > hello
          >
          > this site is far from finished, by i would be interested in ANY
          > Constructive advice anyone may have.


          And the URL is?


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          • 2. Re: Site Rating
            JoeDaSilva Level 4
            Well, there's not a lot to review technically. Design wise it comes across as pretty amateur and dated.

            From top to bottom:

            The Flash piece is just silly. What is the point of the two moving boxes? The photo collage looks well, generic.

            The left hand navigation looks like a mid-nineties Frontpage throwback. There's nothing interesting going on there at all.

            The body copy header is, err, your logo? Where's the logo? Where's the company branding? What am I, as a user, supposed to click next? There's nothing that steers me to the interior content of the site.

            The actual body copy is a giant wall-of-text (WOT). To make matters worse you picked a dark background color with white text. On top of that you chose a web-safe background color (#333), why??

            The design side of "web design" does not start in Dreamweaver. Layout what you want your site to look like in a graphics program first (ie: Fireworks, Photoshop, Illustrator, etc) and then use that as a guide when writing your HTML.

            Try looking at some examples of other web designs for inspiration as well:

            http://www.cssdrive.com/
            http://www.cssheroes.com/
            http://www.cssbeauty.com/gallery/


            • 3. Re: Site Rating
              malcster2 Level 1
              on my original post...forgot to add it on at first
              • 4. Re: Site Rating
                malcster2 Level 1
                yeah, yeah, it's pooh i know. unfortunatly, i can do all the coding, but i've got all the artistic expertise of a colourblind hedgehog....in a bag!!

                i'm gonna look around for some artistic insperation.
                • 5. Re: Site Rating
                  Level 7
                  Joey:

                  where did you find OP's URL? Is this another forum/newsgroup thing?

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                  JoeyD1978 wrote:
                  > Well, there's not a lot to review technically. Design wise it comes across as
                  > pretty amateur and dated.
                  >
                  > From top to bottom:
                  >
                  > The Flash piece is just silly. What is the point of the two moving boxes? The
                  > photo collage looks well, generic.
                  >
                  > The left hand navigation looks like a mid-nineties Frontpage throwback.
                  > There's nothing interesting going on there at all.
                  >
                  > The body copy header is, err, your logo? Where's the logo? Where's the company
                  > branding? What am I, as a user, supposed to click next? There's nothing that
                  > steers me to the interior content of the site.
                  >
                  > The actual body copy is a giant wall-of-text (WOT). To make matters worse you
                  > picked a dark background color with white text. On top of that you chose a
                  > web-safe background color (#333), why??
                  >
                  > The design side of "web design" does not start in Dreamweaver. Layout what you
                  > want your site to look like in a graphics program first (ie: Fireworks,
                  > Photoshop, Illustrator, etc) and then use that as a guide when writing your
                  > HTML.
                  >
                  > Try looking at some examples of other web designs for inspiration as well:
                  >
                  > http://www.cssdrive.com/
                  > http://www.cssheroes.com/
                  > http://www.cssbeauty.com/gallery/
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  • 6. Re: Site Rating
                    JoeDaSilva Level 4
                    He edited the original post. Here's the URL:

                    http://www.bwise-webdevelopment.co.uk/index.html

                    • 7. Re: Site Rating
                      Level 7
                      You should know better than to edit your posts. Please DO NOT DO THIS.

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                      "malcster2" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                      > on my original post...forgot to add it on at first

                      • 8. Re: Site Rating
                        Toucanzoo
                        Here is my two cents.

                        While I agree with almost everything joeyD1978 wrote, I have to say the guy does advertise as building simple websites.

                        On the flip side, malcster2 why are you looking for advice on the site when what you have is a simple web site?

                        Your mission statement is the opposite of what this forum would be trying to acheive in my opinion.

                        joeyD1978, nice links thanks.
                        • 9. Re: Site Rating
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                          "malcster2" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                          > yeah, yeah, it's pooh i know. unfortunatly, i can do all the coding, but
                          > i've
                          > got all the artistic expertise of a colourblind hedgehog....in a bag!!
                          >
                          > i'm gonna look around for some artistic insperation.

                          I disagree with most of what Joey[whatever number] said. The page shows a
                          good use of "white space" and looks well at most of the common browser
                          window sizes. The left menu is simple and clear. The text is very readable
                          to me on its background color, and I see no problem with the main content
                          being a block of text (maybe I'm old school, from when we used to have an
                          attention span of more than a few seconds..)

                          Centrally located on the main page, a prominent link in the body text leads
                          the user to to a logical next page; that's good too.

                          Other than the Flash animation, which I find annoying, I think it's a
                          well-designed page, especially for the market you're aiming at.

                          I'd rather see a lot more pages like this, and a lot less "artwork" pages.


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                          • 10. Re: Site Rating
                            Level 7

                            And it validates. Overall, a nice job.


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                            • 11. Re: Site Rating
                              JoeDaSilva Level 4
                              That's funny how you pat him on the back when your own website suffers from a lot of the same design shortcomings and dated presentation.

                              I guess everybody has their strengths though.
                              • 12. Re: Site Rating
                                malcster2 Level 1
                                thanks p@tty. you just stopped me from slashing my wrists!!!

                                seriously though, i did state it was early days on this one. not every page was completed.

                                maybe it's a bad idea to ask for feedback when your site is in it's extreme infancy.

                                • 13. Re: Site Rating
                                  Level 7

                                  "JoeyD1978" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                  > That's funny how you pat him on the back when your own website suffers
                                  > from a lot of the same design shortcomings and dated presentation.
                                  >
                                  > I guess everybody has their strengths though.

                                  I beg your pardon? I'm curious to know what gives you the idea that you know
                                  what good design is. Please post URLs to a couple of your own sites, if you
                                  have the ****s to.

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                                  • 14. Re: Site Rating
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                                    "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE@ayersvirtualREMOVE.com> wrote in message
                                    news:gfas70$2rb$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                    >
                                    > "JoeyD1978" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                    > news:gf9naj$egq$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                    >> That's funny how you pat him on the back when your own website suffers
                                    >> from a lot of the same design shortcomings and dated presentation.
                                    >>
                                    >> I guess everybody has their strengths though.
                                    >
                                    > I beg your pardon? I'm curious to know what gives you the idea that you
                                    > know what good design is. Please post URLs to a couple of your own sites,
                                    > if you have the ****s to.

                                    Here's a site with *good* design, in case anyone else is unfortunate enough
                                    not to be as skillful as JoeyD1978.

                                    http://slowmotiongenius.com/ (Validation: 50 errors, 38 warnings)

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                                    • 15. Re: Site Rating
                                      JoeDaSilva Level 4
                                      You're such a cute little soccer mom Patty!
                                      • 16. Re: Site Rating
                                        joeq Level 1
                                        you're not seriously suggesting that a site isn't "good design" if it doesn't validate, are you?

                                        quote:

                                        Originally posted by: Newsgroup User

                                        "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE@ayersvirtualREMOVE.com> wrote in message
                                        news:gfas70$2rb$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                        >
                                        > "JoeyD1978" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                        > news:gf9naj$egq$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                        >> That's funny how you pat him on the back when your own website suffers
                                        >> from a lot of the same design shortcomings and dated presentation.
                                        >>
                                        >> I guess everybody has their strengths though.
                                        >
                                        > I beg your pardon? I'm curious to know what gives you the idea that you
                                        > know what good design is. Please post URLs to a couple of your own sites,
                                        > if you have the ****s to.

                                        Here's a site with *good* design, in case anyone else is unfortunate enough
                                        not to be as skillful as JoeyD1978.

                                        http://slowmotiongenius.com/ (Validation: 50 errors, 38 warnings)

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                                        • 17. Re: Site Rating
                                          Toucanzoo Level 1
                                          I would like to try and stop the ******** a little bit.

                                          P@tty - I think I would much rather have a site like this http://slowmotiongenius.com/ than http://www.bwise-webdevelopment.co.uk/index.html but then this is just personal opinion.

                                          The errors can be fixed and the validation can be fixed.
                                          • 18. Re: Site Rating
                                            malcster2 Level 1
                                            ok, ok. here is a slightly revamped version of my homepage. This is not yet complete, but before i go donw the road of makinng my other pages similar, i would appreciate some constructive feedback.

                                            thanks

                                            http://www.bwise-webdevelopment.co.uk/index2.html