9 Replies Latest reply on Oct 23, 2007 10:48 AM by (Nico_Meier)

    Form packages

    Level 1
      Hello

      I've read that it is possible in ES Forms to generate a package of forms:

      LiveCycle Forms ES can assemble multiple PDF forms into a PDF form package, making the form completion easier. Customers, partners, and suppliers can access a single PDF form package that contains all the necessary forms for their transaction without having to manually figure out and compile which forms or documents are required for a transaction. A single package of PDF forms can be assembled for a transaction based on data input.
      Quoted from: http://www.adobe.com/products/livecycle/forms/indepth.html

      Sadly, I was not able to find any further information about this cool feature. Can anybody give some advises or hints... Which service/component provides this feature?

      Thanks!
      Nico
        • 1. Re: Form packages
          HowardTreisman Level 1
          Hi Nico
          That's a feature of LiveCycle Assembler.
          You can find a bit of information here:
          http://livedocs.adobe.com/livecycle/es/sdkHelp/programmer/sdkHelp/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/w whelp.htm?&accessible=true

          Howard
          http://www.avoka.com
          • 2. Re: Form packages
            HowardTreisman Level 1
            PS You can no longer buy assembler, but it is bundled with Forms, Output, and PDFGenerator.
            • 3. Re: Form packages
              HowardTreisman Level 1
              Oops, sorry, silly frame based navigation in LiveDocs.
              The correct link should be:
              http://livedocs.adobe.com/livecycle/es/sdkHelp/programmer/sdkHelp/ddxRefMain.137.71.html#1 620508
              Howard
              • 4. Re: Form packages
                Level 1
                Hi Howard,

                thanks a lot for your help. The "PDF Package" or "Form Package" feature of ES is cool and works fine. One of the major achievements (IMO) is the possibility to assemble multiple forms into one PDF file! That was a weak point of LiveCycle 7.

                Actually that's not surprising, because I've written that in the first post and you can also read that in the Adobe product papers. Here again the magic quotation: "LiveCycle Forms ES can assemble multiple PDF forms into a PDF form package, making the form completion easier."

                And now my follow up question:
                I'm able to display and fill the form package in ES Workspace (placed process fields in cover and augmented package). But I'm not able to complete the form package (submitting back to the process manager). The completion button does not respond.
                According to the quotation it should be manageable. Any gimmick?

                Thanks,
                Nico
                • 5. Re: Form packages
                  HowardTreisman Level 1
                  Hi Nico

                  Nobody here has tried this, so I'm afraid I can't help.

                  Personally, I'd be very surprised if this could be made to work.
                  As I understand it, a package is really just a separate set of PDFs that are actually stored as attachments, but rendered one after another as if they were all part of a single document.

                  I very much doubt as to whether you would be able to set up a single submit button that would submit all the forms simultaneously, collate all the data from each of them into the correct form variables, etc.

                  I think that the package feature is more likely to be intended for the case where you have a single form, and then multiple supporting documents (such as terms and conditions, product sheets, etc) that are "attached" to the form, and are displayed immediately following it.

                  Please do post your findings...

                  Good luck...

                  Howard
                  http://www.avoka.com
                  • 6. Re: Form packages
                    Level 1
                    I can understand your doubts, Howard.... But for me It would be OK to receive at least the pdf package (as pdf document). The rest of the work could be done programmatically (disassembling, collate data into variables, etc.)

                    Howard, do I understand you correct: do you think that it isn't possible to submit any pdf package (irrespective of its content)?

                    Nico
                    • 7. Re: Form packages
                      HowardTreisman Level 1
                      Hi Nico
                      No, I'm not implying that. I think it may definitely be possible to submit the data from even multiple forms within the same package.
                      However...
                      - I don't believe that Workflow (if you're using Workflow) would handle it.
                      - I doubt whether you could work it so that all the forms submit "simultaneously" on a single button click.
                      I should probably actually shut up, because I really am just guessing.
                      Much better for you to tell us what is and isn't possible based on actual experimentation.
                      Please let us know...

                      Regards,
                      Howard
                      • 8. Re: Form packages
                        Level 1
                        Yes, I'm using Process Management (former Workflow). And yes, I suspect you are right. The crucial point is that Process Mmgt may not handle multiple forms ("simultaneously").

                        But it could be even worse if my latest cognitions are true: I've noticed that I can't add the "LC Designer Component" Adobe LiveCycle Form Bridge to a ArtWork form. Does this implicit mean that ArtWork based forms can never communicate with Process Mmgtm/Workflow? Does this also mean that ArtWork based forms can never be summited back to Process Mmgtm/Workflow?

                        Nico
                        • 9. Re: Form packages
                          Level 1
                          This is a endorsement to my previous post ( #8 ), regarding the comments about artwork forms and submit problem. First of all, I wasn't able to submit the form because I forgot to set the target URL in the renderPDFForm service (default: http://localhost:8080/workspace-server/submit). My fault.

                          But there seems to be an other problem. The output xml data (received in process management) is empty. Hmmmm?? Is that due to artwork restrictions regarding LiveCycle Form Bridge (as I've mentioned before)?

                          Any feedback is welcome!

                          Nico