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    Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)

    SimonTindemans Community Member
      Let me start by stressing that I understand the placement of Lightroom as a *photographic* workflow application and the importance to keep feature creep under control.

      That said, nearly every pocket camera now has a movie mode, and I suspect that the feature will hit SLRs as well in the coming years. This means that there are often a couple of AVI files interspersed with the RAW or JPG files on a memory card. It would be great if Lightroom could recognize the presence of these files and allow the user to perform a few basic operations on them:

      * Importing (copying) from the card
      * Batch renaming (together with the photos)
      * Moving from folder A to B (along with the photos)
      * Running in an external application (OS default)
      * Deleting
      * Toggle their display in grid view on and off (like master/VCs)

      Why do this in Lightroom? Because these are IMO the key batch operations you would perform on your photos, and it would be very useful to take the AVIs along for the ride. If you are forced to use another program because of the presence of 1 or 2 movies, you might as well handle the photos in the other application as well.

      Simon
        • 1. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
          Lee Jay-7OQGJF Community Member
          I agree with this request. Now that .wav files are supported, movie clips would be nice as well. I often intersperse short clips between shots when shooting with my wife's Canon S3 IS.
          • 2. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
            Community Member
            I strongly agree as well. I'm not looking for any kind of develop capability... Just the option to manage movies and view them as part of a slideshow. I'm happy to pull open the movie in Quicktime Pro to do the editing. (If we have develop, the only features I would need would be to trim/cut sections of the movie and rotate it 90 degrees.)
            • 3. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
              robtes-1f8C2f Community Member
              I love to see this feeature added to. Now when I move photos to another folder in Lightroom the avi files are ofcourse ignored. Then I have to move them manually in the finder. My workflow will be improved a lot if Lightroom would ad avi support.
              • 4. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                troyhark Community Member
                As I've mentioned elsewhere at length, if LR suported all the files one needed for a job, it would possibly be one of the best programmes ever and such an incredible time saver. As well as reducing errors. It's so easy to miss files that LR has failed to copy/import from disk and then delete by mistake. I nearly deleted a bunch of movie files off my compact camera disk that way recently. Just as well I always check with my file manager that the contents were the same. The solution - I simply don't use LR to copy off disks now.
                Like the OP says as LR ignores so many file types, that one simply uses other software instead.
                • 7. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                  Community Member
                  I couldn't believe that this is not implemented. Just started switching from iView to LR until I discovered my missing AVI and MOV files.
                  I would be very happy with LR as it is much better suited for the development workflow then iView. Without been able to import all files from the camera, it's too risky. I use a bunch of Nikon cameras including P4, D70 and a D90 now.
                  Adobe please implement this request asap.
                  • 8. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                    dcrebelxt Community Member
                    Old thread... but just shows how long people have been asking for this with no movement from Adobe.

                    Count me in on wanting it. I'm all over being able to organize and keyword them... who care's if you can't edit the video? One of the key benefits of the library module is tagging, organizing and sorting our files... LR development seems not very "forward thinking" by failing to do this simple task.
                    • 9. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                      troyhark Community Member
                      Adobe still don't seem to have noticed that Photography is undergoing another big change, just like from film to digital. Only now it is now from just stills to stills, moving images and sound. These file types are all part of our photographic workflow. As are text files with information relating to the shoot. A DAM app that cannot see all digital files is a bit rubbish.
                      Nothing new about this or unforseen, just that it's now very mainstream with the 5DII.
                      Though it seems Adobe are unaware that Nikon and Canon make DSLRs that shoot video, not to mention all the compact cameras that shoot video and that most photographers use, including pros, who don't always want a large 'pro' camera with them.
                      LR won't recognize video so cannot be used to import files from card shot on the new video capable DSLRs. Which makes for more work as you have to copy files to disk and then import to LR.
                      For the same reason, LR cannot Keyword the video files that go with the stills, so why bother to use LR to do the stills? You simply do it in a programme that isn't so blind to file formats.
                      LR was a major step forward in dealing with photographer's needs, though now it is less usable than PS now due to it's short sightedness with regard to files we photographer's use
                      • 10. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                        ISeward Community Member
                        >troyhark - 3:24pm Jan 5, 09 PST (#9 of 9) Edited: 05-Jan-2009 at 03:24pm

                        Adobe still don't seem to have noticed that Photography is undergoing another big change, just like from film to digital. Only now it is now from just stills to stills, moving images and sound. These file types are all part of our photographic workflow. As are text files with information relating to the shoot. A DAM app that cannot see all digital files is a bit rubbish.
                        Nothing new about this or unforseen, just that it's now very mainstream with the 5DII.
                        Though it seems Adobe are unaware that Nikon and Canon make DSLRs that shoot video, not to mention all the compact cameras that shoot video and that most photographers use, including pros, who don't always want a large 'pro' camera with them.
                        LR won't recognize video so cannot be used to import files from card shot on the new video capable DSLRs. Which makes for more work as you have to copy files to disk and then import to LR.
                        For the same reason, LR cannot Keyword the video files that go with the stills, so why bother to use LR to do the stills? You simply do it in a programme that isn't so blind to file formats.
                        LR was a major step forward in dealing with photographer's needs, though now it is less usable than PS now due to it's short sightedness with regard to files we photographer's use

                        I agree with everything you say. Hopefully, this will get addressed as having recognised wav files there is no reason why it cannot be developed to manage video files, but probably, as it is Adobe, with a pay for update :-(
                        • 11. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                          troyhark Community Member
                          I have no problem paying more for LR that can work as a proper DAM app and I doubt others would too. And I would pay even more for one with more modules, that could handle other files types. LR already uses sound in Slideshow, so a sound editor would be good. A movie module that graded clips to match shots in scenes for subsequent use in an editing package like Premiere/Final Cut/Vegas would be good. Or for grading final edit.
                          • 12. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                            Community Member
                            At the very least do the first bit of Simon's request:

                            # mporting (copying) from the card
                            # Batch renaming (together with the photos)
                            # Moving from folder A to B (along with the photos)

                            As things stand now, every time LR balks over not being able to import the .avi's, it feels insulting. "Sorry, (LR gives the hand gesture) I don't accept "those kind" of files...not even to copy them for you...it's the rules."

                            Come on Adobe, at least copy the freaking files with everything else. Another example of hanging on to style over function/courtesy.

                            sigh.
                            • 13. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                              Manex Efrem Community Member
                              Although probably not necessary, I will add my vote for this feature too. (though I've also asked for this in the past).
                              Some of my videos I take are references and notes needed to supplement my photos and give myself reminders and advice on how to treat photos from my Canon SLRs and where/when I can go back to a sight to create better images.
                              cheers
                              manex
                              • 14. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                droppie Community Member
                                I will add my vote for this feature too

                                And ad ACVHD support so we can edit the IPTC data and easily find the files were are looking four.

                                Wilco
                                • 15. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                  SimonTindemans Community Member
                                  I've been thinking about this feature again, and I think it could be implemented as follows. The library module could divide all files into 4 distinct categories (it now has two)

                                  1. Supported, online files [implemented now]
                                  2. Supported, offline files [implemented now]
                                  3. Recognized files
                                  4. Unsupported files

                                  The 'recognized' file category would be those files for which a preview image can be made. This could include movies and CMYK files, for example. Upon switching to another module, they could be treated just like offline files (cat. 2), or they could be handled like the unsupported files (see below). Double-clicking could launch the default OS handler for the file type.

                                  The 'unsupported file' category would contain all other files that the use would choose to import. These would get a generic icon and probably should not be accessible at all from other modules (remove them from the film strip by enabling a default filter).

                                  Simon
                                  • 16. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                    troyhark Community Member
                                    I suggested very much the same a long time ago and was roundly condemmed for such heresy.

                                    Though I do think you still need to be able to preview all files. But those that say the develop module cannot support are greyed out in that module along with some indication in the Library of that fact that an outside editor is needed and the abilty to choose the apposite software to do so.
                                    • 17. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                      SimonTindemans Community Member
                                      >I suggested very much the same a long time ago and was roundly condemmed for such heresy.

                                      Maybe the mob will be friendlier now that the Canon 5D2 shoots movies as well :)
                                      • 18. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                        Community Member
                                        Well said Simon.

                                        And yes, the distinction between our beloved DSLRs and camcorders is fading fast. (In our favor it looks like, but still we'll be looking for an app that doesn't miss that change...)
                                        • 19. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                          Community Member
                                          I also agree with Simon. Mostly, just let me get them off the card at the same time, rather than needing another app to offload them. With all digicam, and 5DmkII and more supporting video, it needs to come off the card. Then Lightroom can put a big question mark for all I care.
                                          • 20. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                            bokeron2008 Community Member
                                            I STRONGLY disagree.
                                            If lightroom is going to be a photography tool... then let it be a photography tool. There are plenty of do-it-all tools out there for you to play with.
                                            And, if you want video, you have bridge and premiere. For audio, you have some other solutions.

                                            Mangling a perfectly focused program like this, and creating another bloatware nonsense it's not "adapting to new times in photography".
                                            Lightroom still have room to grom, objectives to meet, features it need, to become THE tool for photographers. If you start deviating now, you'll never reach this end.

                                            In other words, I will abandon Lightroom and go the Capture One route the day it starts toying with "other-media-files".
                                            • 21. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                              SimonTindemans Community Member
                                              I am not arguing for a jack-of-all-trades, 'bloatware' solution. The essential point I was trying to make is that Lightroom is a photography *workflow* tool (in contrast to, say, a single-purpose raw converter).

                                              At the moment, Lightroom's insistence to ignore other file types breaks the *workflow* for an increasing number of users. There is no use in importing the contents of your card if you have to go back in to see whether you have any movies to take care of. I am in the habit of moving my photos from an 'incoming' directory to its final (archived) location. For photos, I need to do this in Lightroom to not break the library; for other files I need to duplicate the move in Explorer. The same goes for the batch renaming of files (e.g. for delivery to a client) or exporting to CD/DVD.

                                              Making sure these hurdles are overcome does not constitute 'toying with other files', in my opinion. Support for editing audio and movies can come from external applications, or - at some point - third party modules.

                                              Simon
                                              • 22. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                troyhark Community Member
                                                >If lightroom is going to be a photography tool... then let it be a photography tool. There are plenty of do-it-all tools out there for you to play with.
                                                Mangling a perfectly focused program like this, and creating another bloatware nonsense it's not "adapting to new times in photography".

                                                Simon - This is the sort of ignorant ranting I got when I previously suggested expanding LR's recognition abilities.
                                                Bokeron - I'm a pro photographer and for LR to be a good photographer's tool it needs to aid the photographer's workflow not interrupt it. At present, the DAM/Library side of LR is crippled for many photographers. Heck, it currently ignores large chunks of my portfolio - apparently not the right sort of image file - duh!
                                                Currently - I have to use other software to make up for LR's deficiencies, which not only slows me down, but means a lot of the time I simply ignore LR as LR is meant to be a workflow aid not an impediment. That's not focused, that's blinkered.

                                                LR could be a truly stunning tool - currently it's like a greyhound with 3 legs. Particularly as it's potentially excellent import tool cannot be used as Simon mentions above - it ignores files that may commonly be found on camera memory cards.

                                                And the thing that makes dumb statements like this so asinine, is the presence of the slideshow and web modules - the former utilises sound files, which the library cannot handle and the latter is hardly a traditional photography tool. LR was a response into how photography had changed - Photography is changing yet again, yet sadly LR seems to be ignoring that.
                                                • 23. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                  Manex Efrem Community Member
                                                  Sooner or later, there will be another application that gets the balance right, with the current features and quality of lightroom plus the ability to keep the workflow unbroken by enabling the user to accept or ignore other files from a camera's memory card and not be a video editing package as Bokeron fears. When this happens and the competition forces this app to change it will be too late.
                                                  It's for the workflow reason that I excluded aperture (even though I was sure at the time it would be better to go with it) because, at the time, it didn't allow me to keep my photos on other drives. Now that it does it's far too late to change.
                                                  This will happen to Lightroom, and it will be a shame.

                                                  Just let us get on with our photography and don't hinder our work...
                                                  • 24. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                    troyhark Community Member
                                                    >I am not arguing for a jack-of-all-trades, 'bloatware' solution. The essential point I was trying to make is that Lightroom is a photography *workflow* tool (in contrast to, say, a single-purpose raw converter).
                                                    Simon T.

                                                    Now you mention that, why don't we suggest to those who objct to LR becoming more functional, that they use ACR instead as that is a very pure Photographer's tool?
                                                    • 25. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                      Community Member
                                                      "In other words, I will abandon Lightroom and go the Capture One route the day it starts toying with
                                                      "other-media-files".

                                                      Why? That only makes sense if you're forced to use those new features. What would force you to use
                                                      new features? There are plenty of things LR does that I don't use. I ignore them and they don't get
                                                      in the way.
                                                      • 26. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                        bokeron2008 Community Member
                                                        Troyhark, I stopped reading your message after the word "ignorant". I'm glad to be in the same thread as you, the most brilliant mind of the century. I humbly bow to your magnificence. If your marvelous royal highness wishes to discuss some of these matters, I'll be happy to oblige.
                                                        Meanwhile, I'll entertain myself idly admiring your brain, wich is bigger than your mouth.

                                                        DaveBurns.
                                                        Because, in my experience, when you start adding "features" to a program, you don't stop at the count of three. It gets more and more. Now you only want to add metadata to movie files. Soon, someone will want to preview the movie. Then, someone will want to color correct the movie, or cut unneeded parts...
                                                        For this to happen, resources must be diverted from the photo-side, and inverted in the non-photo-side of the program. Added to this, the resulting program will need increased hard disk size, more memory to function, it will be slower on lesser machines...

                                                        It is easy to say "no, that will never happen", but reality has proved that if something bad can happen, it will. Murphy's on my side.

                                                        That's why I dont even like the slideshow and web gallery modules. I'd prefer the resources to be inverted in improving the print modules (layout designer for prints, photobooks, etc... overlays, watermarks, etc ) or the library (not really useful as a full DAM solution as is), or adding more tools and improving the existent ones in the develop module... softproofing, better clone tool, layers, etc...

                                                        That's where the resources should be inverted. Not buildng an internal mp3 player to hear the wav file.
                                                        • 27. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                          troyhark Community Member
                                                          I use PS CS4 and guess what it has many, many more features in it than the first version I used [3.5], but oddly enough it still runs faster and the extra tools allow me to work faster and better. Everyone uses a different subset of features in any programme, so who is to decide what is added in. Heck if you were deciding, we wouldn't have progressed at all.
                                                          I would never be so selfish as to say don't add this or that feature, just because I didn't need it. Grief!

                                                          >That's why I don't even like the slideshow and web gallery modules. I'd prefer the resources to be inverted in improving the print modules (layout designer for prints, photobooks, etc... overlays, watermarks, etc ) or the library (not really useful as a full DAM solution as is)

                                                          Uh and if you hadn't actually realised this thread is specifically about improving the DAM module. Specifically for a photographic workflow. Photographers use video, they make notes, they use sound for slideshows, all part of the photographer's workflow. LR's aim was to ease that process. And as many pro photographers are now expectd to use video/make slideshows, LR needs to recognize that fact.
                                                          And to do so these days as a DAM app, LR needs to be able to rename/label/preview a variety of files. However this does not mean you have to edit them within LR. After all it already deals with files it cannot edit and to solve that it sends them to PS. Which is exactly what would happen to a sound or movie file too. After all Adobe already have software that can do just that.
                                                          There are already several DAM apps out there and they can preview, annotate files, yet they don't usually edit them as well.

                                                          Now if there was any doubt about your ignorance, your last post just proved it. Basically you want the features you need and everyone else can get stuffed.
                                                          Not even sure why you are using LR. Why not use just ACR and the print module of Bridge instead? That does what you ask for.
                                                          • 28. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                            bokeron2008 Community Member
                                                            This time I suffered a different but equally misterious effect when i read your last paragraph. When I found the word "ignorant", I suddenly forgot what I was going to post in this reply.

                                                            Have a nice day, genius boy.
                                                            • 29. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                              SimonTindemans Community Member
                                                              Bokeron, feature creep and finite resources are certainly something to be aware of. I think that all feature requests should be weighed against Lightroom's generic design principle, which seems to be (from the site) "Simplify photography from shoot to finish".

                                                              From that perspective, anything that helps to create a smoother workflow for some, without hindering the workflow of others, is a valid request. [I'd put soft proofing, perspective correction, other file support and a develop SDK in this category] Which features get priority is probably decided based on a mix of cost and the number of requests. You voice your request, I'll voice mine, and we'll see where the team takes it.

                                                              Troyhark, I understand you frustration but let's keep things friendly, shall we?
                                                              • 30. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                troyhark Community Member
                                                                Bokeron - Maybe that's because you actually had nothing to add, apart from negativity.
                                                                You simply seem anti-anything that you require?

                                                                We're trying to make positive suggestions here.
                                                                • 31. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                  troyhark Community Member
                                                                  Simon, if I seem rather irritated, it's because a pet hate of mine is selfish people who come on to feature request threads to simply moan that they do not need a feature. If you don't need something, ignore it. If only the features that everyone wanted were implemented, there would be no improvemnents ever.
                                                                  Not to mention Bokeron simply doesn't seem to understand LR's aim is to improve workflow.

                                                                  The other daft thing is that you may not even realise you want a feature until it is there and suddenly you realise actually it's quite handy.
                                                                  Particularly if you end up owning a D90 or a 5D or similar, which were nowhere near existing when I first requested the ability of LR's Library to recognize more file types.
                                                                  • 32. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                    Community Member
                                                                    I think Simon stated things well. As long as features are implemented in a way that they don't impede those who don't use them, why bother blocking them?

                                                                    PS, Autocad, hell even Excel and Word, are amazing programs with gigantic feature sets that serve very different user groups without interfering with others.

                                                                    We'd all like LR development to move faster, or even feel like Adobe cares about that. I think we should treat Adobe like they can and will improve LR to serve it's diverse user base, instead of censoring each other in fear nothing will ever get done or done well. Shouldn't we trust them a little to stick to the core values of making our workflow easier?
                                                                    • 33. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                      bokeron2008 Community Member
                                                                      So... would you agree if Photoshop started editing video and audio.
                                                                      Or if Premiere received a DAM module.
                                                                      What about if Microsoft Office's Word implemented photo retouch and correction ?
                                                                      Adobe Illustrator sporting a RAW develop module ?
                                                                      Camera RAW editing vectorial images ?
                                                                      Adobe Dreamweaver editing flash ?

                                                                      So, why do you want a photography program start messing with video, audio, whatever ... files ?

                                                                      This is my point of view. I may be right, or wrong, but my philosophy about software is "especialised, lean and fast".
                                                                      Did I say I'm against adding features ? No. I'm against adding unrelated features. And for me, surprisingly, video is not photography.

                                                                      Adobe has a full set of programs dedicated to every aspect of media production and the company is intent in it's purpose of making them work together as a system.
                                                                      Adobe lacked a digital photography tool, and therefore created Lightroom. If you need video, the logical choice would be to ask Adobe to make lightroom interoperate better with premiere. You need audio ? You have soundbooth.
                                                                      Even better, you have Bridge... wich, amazingly, has a purpose : to serve as a Bridge betweeen the different media, and dedicated software.

                                                                      I do understand your point of view. I simply do not share it. Does that makes me ignorant ? I don't care.

                                                                      There are threads opened to ask for features... and therefore that's the place to express my oppinion about those features. What did you want me to do, open a thread asking for not adding an horoscope to Lightroom when nobody has aked for it first ?

                                                                      P.S. To clarify : I understand why you ask what you ask, Simon. I'm not saying it's stupid or unreasonable. I just wanted to add my impressions to the thread, instead of opening a thread to ***** about it.
                                                                      • 34. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                        troyhark Community Member
                                                                        >I do understand your point of view. I simply do not share it. Does that makes me ignorant ? I don't care.

                                                                        Judging by that last post, it's seems you are simply illiterate.
                                                                        If you'd actually read the thread properly, it is about adding more file types to be recognized by the Library. Not adding a video editing module. These other files will then be opened by the appropriate programme. Just as PS is currently used to develop PSD files. LR cannot tweak them, yet they are still allowed in the programme. That should be the case for all assets used by photographers. You are not all photographers, in case you hadn't noticed. You just seem to be a luddite.

                                                                        Plus in case you hadn't noticed Bridge is a File Manager, not a Database, so suggesting that we use that instead, means you don't actually understand the programme's different functionalities.
                                                                        I do use Bridge. A lot. Mainly due to LR's clunkyness and inability to handle many of my PHOTOGRAGPHIC files.
                                                                        The major benefit of LR is to be a DAM app, otherwise we'd simply use ACR in Bridge, it's the same RAW engine and you can batch process pretty quickly in it too.

                                                                        >So, why do you want a photography program start messing with video, audio, whatever ... files ?

                                                                        To make for a faster, more efficient workflow and it's the Library, not the Develop module in LR we are talking about. Time is money to professionals and having to use many different programmes to do the task a single programme could easily do is simply inefficient and time consuming.
                                                                        What you think is lean and mean, it seems many others would consider crippled and useless.

                                                                        >So... would you agree if Photoshop started editing video and audio.
                                                                        What about if Microsoft Office's Word implemented photo retouch and correction.
                                                                        Or if Premiere received a DAM module.
                                                                        Adobe Illustrator sporting a RAW develop module ?
                                                                        Adobe Dreamweaver editing flash ?

                                                                        Uh, as obviously you hadn't noticed Photoshop can deal with video and 3D and Typography and Graphics and web work.
                                                                        Word can fiddle with images as well to a certain extent.
                                                                        I'm sure most video editors would love a digital asset manager for all their many items needed to put a film together. LR's Library could be a good basis for them.
                                                                        Dreamweaver can already create Flash.
                                                                        Illustrator does in effect have a RAW develop tool in Bridge, it's called ACR and if I want to use a RAW image in Illustrator I use ACR to process it for me into a form Illustrator can handle. I don't even have to open PS.
                                                                        It seems you don't even know about how current software works, so how can you possibly make sensible suggestions about future software?

                                                                        >Camera RAW editing vectorial images ?

                                                                        I'm assuming English is not your first language, judging by this sort of thing! So maybe something is getting lost in translation.
                                                                        • 35. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                          Community Member
                                                                          Bokeron2008 said "Adobe lacked a digital photography tool, and therefore created Lightroom."

                                                                          I would disagree. There was already Bridge, ACR, and PS.

                                                                          Adobe needed a tool for digital photographers. It's for the photographer, not the photograph. The work flow as much as the work. The first part of nearly every photographers work flow is dumping their memory card, and currently LR won't even do that completely.

                                                                          Digital photography is evolving, there can be no argument. Will Adobe and LR keep pace? We are all waiting and hoping, but can't wait forever.
                                                                          • 36. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                            John Blair Community Member
                                                                            Troyhark:

                                                                            I was confused by your statement:

                                                                            "Just as PS is currently used to develop PSD files. LR cannot tweak them, yet they are still allowed in the programme."

                                                                            I can and do adjust PSD files in LR, so I wasn't sure what you meant here.

                                                                            Thanks,

                                                                            John
                                                                            John G. Blair
                                                                            Occidental, California
                                                                            • 37. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                              bokeron2008 Community Member
                                                                              Troyhark. Illiterate and [gibberish following], I'm sorry, I couldn't understand anything else. I'm illiterate after all. Good bye.

                                                                              CuriousB.
                                                                              Well, yes. In the beginning, Adobe created Photoshop. But for a wider audience : creative industry, designers, and photographers, and whoever who needs ti manipulate images.
                                                                              Digital photographers were included too, afterwards. When digital photography started to be significant, ACR was the answer. At least for single pictures.

                                                                              But ... editing raw pictures by the hundreds/thousands using ACR+Photoshop+Bridge is not the speediest task that comes to mind. Adobe lacked a tool that allowed a workflow like other specialised RAW developer software tools were offering ... Aperture not being the least important in Adobe's mind, it seems.

                                                                              So... yes, in a sense, is a tool for the photographer. But, just as I don't believe a DSLR is the tool to record video, I don't believe Lightroom is the tool for cataloging AVI files...even if they are recorded by a photographer and his DSLR.
                                                                              • 38. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                                Lee Jay-7OQGJF Community Member
                                                                                > But, just as I don't believe a DSLR is the tool to record video, I don't believe Lightroom is the tool for cataloging AVI files...even if they are recorded by a photographer and his DSLR.

                                                                                My reasons for disagreeing:

                                                                                - In many (most?) cases, the video is intimately tied to the stills, and helps complete the story told in the stills
                                                                                - The quality of these video files is going up very rapidly to the point where individual frames can be considered viable still photographs. Is shooting at 10fps and 10MP on the 1DIII a video or a series of stills? Is shooting at 30fps and 2MP on the 5DII video or a series of stills? Is shooting at 100fps and 24MP on a Red Epic FF35 shooting video, or just a very rapid burst of high-resolution stills?
                                                                                • 39. Re: Allow import of and basic operations on non-image files (AVI, etc)
                                                                                  Community Member
                                                                                  Bokeron -

                                                                                  Would you agree that, at the very least, having a simple checkbox in the Import dialog to tell LR to
                                                                                  copy ALL files in the imported folder rather than just recognized types would be useful? Even if LR
                                                                                  does *nothing* else to catalog/acknowledge them, it would make my life simpler since there is now
                                                                                  only one copy operation in my workflow. More than once I have almost formatted a memory card I had
                                                                                  video on because I had LR import from it and I thought I had everything.
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