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    Dreamweaver Sample CSS "Halo Left Nav"

    PEM_ Level 1
      Greetings All,

      I am fairly new to DW. Once I figured out how the CSS worked, I found that I like the product and it works quite nicely. Best for me, is that I REALLY like the "Halo Left Nav" sample CSS that comes with the product. With some changes, I would like to adopt it for my own site. Unfortunately, I am confused about a couple of things.

      What is the 'Related Link Category' for? I can't think of anything immediately, but I don't want to kick myself later for deleting it. (I am only so-so with html so I am not looking forward to the excitement of putting it back).

      What are the breadcrumbs for. It seems like it should show you where you have been on the site, but I was not sure if there is javascript in there that makes it work automatically, or if you have to code the whole thing up.

      Naviagation Bars (global links): I get what this is for. But not sure if there is some nifty tool that makes it easy to manage or what. I only want to manage it as little as possible. Let's say that I am going to have a 7 page web site. Should I plan it out in advance and change the nav bar information once? Then I thought I would simple save the remaining pages as page2 through page7 and by saving it I would automatically capitalize on the nav bar.

      I don't want to create 7 pages and then find out that I have to go back into each page and change the same thing over and over and over and over in the nav bar. That's why I was hoping there was a nifty tool that I missed.

      Last, what do people usually use the Utility Link nav bar for? I was thinking about putting up Login (because I have suppport on the global links nav bar).

      Any thoughts here would be greatly appreciated.

      Best,

      PEM
        • 1. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS "Halo Left Nav"
          PEM_ Level 1
          One last thing,

          I would like to make a call to google in the search bar provided, but not sure if there is a mechanism for it.

          Thanks again,

          PEM
          • 2. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS "Halo Left Nav"
            Level 7
            I have worked with DW for quite a long time, and posted on this forum for an
            equally long time. In that time, I have *never* seen anyone who is "fairly
            new to DW" use the HALO templates without having a bucket of trouble. And
            frankly, the templates themselves are a bucket of trouble. They are quirky,
            and well byzantine.

            Unless you are very comfortable with HTML, with javascript, and especially
            with CSS, I don't recommend you use HALO for anything more than a good
            example of how NOT to do a page.

            You would be much better served by going here -

            http://www.maxdesign.com.au

            and finding and using a layout you like.

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            "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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            > Greetings All,
            >
            > I am fairly new to DW. Once I figured out how the CSS worked, I found
            > that I
            > like the product and it works quite nicely. Best for me, is that I REALLY
            > like
            > the "Halo Left Nav" sample CSS that comes with the product. With some
            > changes,
            > I would like to adopt it for my own site. Unfortunately, I am confused
            > about a
            > couple of things.
            >
            > What is the 'Related Link Category' for? I can't think of anything
            > immediately, but I don't want to kick myself later for deleting it. (I am
            > only
            > so-so with html so I am not looking forward to the excitement of putting
            > it
            > back).
            >
            > What are the breadcrumbs for. It seems like it should show you where you
            > have
            > been on the site, but I was not sure if there is javascript in there that
            > makes
            > it work automatically, or if you have to code the whole thing up.
            >
            > Naviagation Bars (global links): I get what this is for. But not sure if
            > there is some nifty tool that makes it easy to manage or what. I only
            > want to
            > manage it as little as possible. Let's say that I am going to have a 7
            > page
            > web site. Should I plan it out in advance and change the nav bar
            > information
            > once? Then I thought I would simple save the remaining pages as page2
            > through
            > page7 and by saving it I would automatically capitalize on the nav bar.
            >
            > I don't want to create 7 pages and then find out that I have to go back
            > into
            > each page and change the same thing over and over and over and over in the
            > nav
            > bar. That's why I was hoping there was a nifty tool that I missed.
            >
            > Last, what do people usually use the Utility Link nav bar for? I was
            > thinking
            > about putting up Login (because I have suppport on the global links nav
            > bar).
            >
            > Any thoughts here would be greatly appreciated.
            >
            > Best,
            >
            > PEM
            >


            • 3. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
              Level 7
              Fairly new myself, and no idea about most of your questions, but:

              On 10/7/06 7:50 PM, "PEM_" wrote:
              >
              > I don't want to create 7 pages and then find out that I have to go back into
              > each page and change the same thing over and over and over and over in the nav
              > bar. That's why I was hoping there was a nifty tool that I missed.

              That's what templates are for. Mess with the page for a while. When you
              think you like it, make it into a template. Then create the next six pages
              based on your custom template. If you need to change the nav bar, go back
              and do it in the template, and DW will offer to update the attached pages.

              The Help topics in DW on templates were enough to get me going, start there
              for more information on templates.

              • 4. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                PEM_ Level 1
                Thanks ACE and Daiya.

                The 'MaxDesign' website is great and I will spend some time there. Also, I missed the concept of the template so I will review this. Being prompted to update the Nav Links is exactly what I wanted to hear.

                One last thing. I uploaded my page to my website and it look exactly like what I was expecting. Then I viewed it from my web site and it looks like a bunch of gobbledygook (that is a technical expression). Both browsers are the exact same version of IE. Is this the type of problematic issues you get with this template, ACE?

                Thanks!

                Paul
                • 5. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                  PEM_ Level 1
                  I check on a third computer and the page is all scrambled as well. It only seems to view well from the machine where I have DW installed.
                  • 6. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                    Level 7
                    Can you post the URL?

                    --
                    Jo


                    "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                    >I check on a third computer and the page is all scrambled as well. It only
                    >seems to view well from the machine where I have DW installed.


                    • 7. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                      Level 7
                      This most likely means that you did not upload the stylesheet.

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                      "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                      >I check on a third computer and the page is all scrambled as well. It only
                      >seems to view well from the machine where I have DW installed.


                      • 8. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                        Level 7
                        > Is this the type of problematic issues you get with
                        > this template, ACE?

                        No. The issues that people have with this template are much much more
                        troublesome. The navigation is easily broken and the layout method is
                        beyond awkward, resisting attempts from even fairly experienced users to
                        adapt to their design....

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                        "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                        > Thanks ACE and Daiya.
                        >
                        > The 'MaxDesign' website is great and I will spend some time there. Also,
                        > I
                        > missed the concept of the template so I will review this. Being prompted
                        > to
                        > update the Nav Links is exactly what I wanted to hear.
                        >
                        > One last thing. I uploaded my page to my website and it look exactly like
                        > what I was expecting. Then I viewed it from my web site and it looks like
                        > a
                        > bunch of gobbledygook (that is a technical expression). Both browsers are
                        > the
                        > exact same version of IE. Is this the type of problematic issues you get
                        > with
                        > this template, ACE?
                        >
                        > Thanks!
                        >
                        > Paul
                        >


                        • 9. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                          Level 1
                          PEM_,

                          Please take a note... as for your statement as follows:

                          > "Thanks ACE and Daiya..."

                          Notice the term "ACE" is not real person's name. It is called Adobe Community Expert.
                          • 10. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                            Level 1
                            Go to Google webmaster site, where you get all kinds of information that you are looking for. If you do not have an account with Google, perhaps that you might want to set one up for your Google account.

                            quote:

                            Originally posted by: PEM_
                            One last thing,

                            I would like to make a call to google in the search bar provided, but not sure if there is a mechanism for it.

                            Thanks again,

                            PEM


                            • 11. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                              PEM_ Level 1
                              Hi Joe,

                              Here is the URL. Sorry, I broke it up with spaces so that it does not show up in a search. Thanks!! PEM

                              http://www. stay systems. com / index2.html
                              • 12. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                PEM_ Level 1
                                To the suggestion that I did not upload the style sheet. I SEE a file in my webroot called emx_left_nav.css.

                                Here is what I think may have happened. Everytime I change something in DW it just creates a new style (which I found to be annoying). When I clicked on Menu Text | CSS Styles | Manage CSS Styles. I SEE the emx_left_nav style sheet. But right under that I see something that says <styles>. When I click on the line that says <styles>, I see a list of many of the styles that were automatically created, that I edited to make the page look the way that I want. Editing did change the page the way that I wanted it to. But when I look in the emx_left_nave.css file, I don't see any reference to the new styles that I created. Nor do I see anything in my webroot that looks like additional style sheets were uploaded.

                                Are there addtional ancillary style sheets that I have to find and upload manually?
                                • 13. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                  PEM_ Level 1
                                  Okay, I tried 'attaching' the new styles to the existing style sheet but nothing happened. I was able to export them (as shown below) and they are exactly the ones that are missing from the main style sheet. Do I have to manually insert this into the main one?

                                  .ssBodyText {
                                  font-size: 10pt;
                                  font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
                                  font-style: normal;
                                  line-height: normal;
                                  color: #000000;
                                  letter-spacing: normal;
                                  text-align: left;
                                  word-spacing: normal;
                                  white-space: normal;
                                  }
                                  .ssBlueBoldHeading {
                                  font-size: 16pt;
                                  font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
                                  font-weight: bold;
                                  color: #2BAED5;
                                  }
                                  .ssBulletedList {
                                  font-size: small;
                                  list-style-position: outside;
                                  list-style-image: url(/tr_curve_white.gif);
                                  list-style-type: square;
                                  background-color: #FFFFCC;
                                  border: .1px solid #6666FF;
                                  padding: 1px;
                                  height: auto;
                                  width: 550px;
                                  }
                                  .style20 {color: #00FF00}
                                  .style21 {color: #0000FF}
                                  .style22 {font-style: italic}
                                  • 14. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                    Level 7
                                    In your code your stylesheet is linked to your hard drive...

                                    <link rel="stylesheet"
                                    href="file:///C|/Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator/My%20Documents/!WebDev/StaySyst ems/emx_nav_left.css"
                                    type="text/css">

                                    Your images are also linked to your hard drive...

                                    for example:

                                    <img alt=""
                                    src="file:///C|/Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator/My%20Documents/!WebDev/StaySyste ms/gblnav_left.gif"
                                    height="32" width="4" id="gnl"> <img alt=""
                                    src="file:///C|/Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator/My%20Documents/!WebDev/StaySyste ms/glbnav_right.gif"
                                    height="32" width="4" id="gnr">

                                    Have you defined your site? I don't think you have, from what I've seen from
                                    other replies this is initially what causes this.

                                    You have styles embedded in your code - but they are duplicated (as you
                                    probably realise judging from one of your posts) - as you said, they were
                                    created automatically.

                                    When you have defined your site (check F1 if you're not sure about this),
                                    see your stylesheet and remove duplicates.

                                    You needn't worry about moving embedded styles yet (I'm open to
                                    contradiction of course but it's never bothered me) - you can move your
                                    styles later if you want - just don't have duplicates as it will be
                                    confusing if you change anything.

                                    So, define your site, check for and remove duplicates, upload and post back.
                                    Hope this helps.

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                                    "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                    > Hi Joe,
                                    >
                                    > Here is the URL. Sorry, I broke it up with spaces so that it does not
                                    > show up in a search. Thanks!! PEM
                                    >
                                    > http://www. stay systems.com/ index2.html


                                    • 15. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                      Level 7
                                      > Here is what I think may have happened. Everytime I change something in
                                      > DW it
                                      > just creates a new style (which I found to be annoying).

                                      That means that you are using the Property inspector to apply font type,
                                      color, size, etc. to selected text. If you would never do that, then you
                                      would not have this problem. Define the style first, and only use the
                                      Property inspector to select that style by name, not to actually apply
                                      styles.

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                                      "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                      > To the suggestion that I did not upload the style sheet. I SEE a file in
                                      > my
                                      > webroot called emx_left_nav.css.
                                      >
                                      > Here is what I think may have happened. Everytime I change something in
                                      > DW it
                                      > just creates a new style (which I found to be annoying). When I clicked
                                      > on
                                      > Menu Text | CSS Styles | Manage CSS Styles. I SEE the emx_left_nav style
                                      > sheet. But right under that I see something that says <styles>. When I
                                      > click
                                      > on the line that says <styles>, I see a list of many of the styles that
                                      > were
                                      > automatically created, that I edited to make the page look the way that I
                                      > want.
                                      > Editing did change the page the way that I wanted it to. But when I look
                                      > in
                                      > the emx_left_nave.css file, I don't see any reference to the new styles
                                      > that I
                                      > created. Nor do I see anything in my webroot that looks like additional
                                      > style
                                      > sheets were uploaded.
                                      >
                                      > Are there addtional ancillary style sheets that I have to find and upload
                                      > manually?
                                      >


                                      • 16. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                        Level 7
                                        All of which point out why this individual should not be using the HALO
                                        templates. I hate those things....

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                                        "josie1one" <joleros[nospam]@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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                                        > In your code your stylesheet is linked to your hard drive...
                                        >
                                        > <link rel="stylesheet"
                                        > href="file:///C|/Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator/My%20Documents/!WebDev/StaySyst ems/emx_nav_left.css"
                                        > type="text/css">
                                        >
                                        > Your images are also linked to your hard drive...
                                        >
                                        > for example:
                                        >
                                        > <img alt=""
                                        > src="file:///C|/Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator/My%20Documents/!WebDev/StaySyste ms/gblnav_left.gif"
                                        > height="32" width="4" id="gnl"> <img alt=""
                                        > src="file:///C|/Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator/My%20Documents/!WebDev/StaySyste ms/glbnav_right.gif"
                                        > height="32" width="4" id="gnr">
                                        >
                                        > Have you defined your site? I don't think you have, from what I've seen
                                        > from other replies this is initially what causes this.
                                        >
                                        > You have styles embedded in your code - but they are duplicated (as you
                                        > probably realise judging from one of your posts) - as you said, they were
                                        > created automatically.
                                        >
                                        > When you have defined your site (check F1 if you're not sure about this),
                                        > see your stylesheet and remove duplicates.
                                        >
                                        > You needn't worry about moving embedded styles yet (I'm open to
                                        > contradiction of course but it's never bothered me) - you can move your
                                        > styles later if you want - just don't have duplicates as it will be
                                        > confusing if you change anything.
                                        >
                                        > So, define your site, check for and remove duplicates, upload and post
                                        > back.
                                        > Hope this helps.
                                        >
                                        > --
                                        > Jo
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                        > news:egc7bn$521$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                        >> Hi Joe,
                                        >>
                                        >> Here is the URL. Sorry, I broke it up with spaces so that it does not
                                        >> show up in a search. Thanks!! PEM
                                        >>
                                        >> http://www. stay systems.com/ index2.html
                                        >
                                        >


                                        • 17. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                          PEM_ Level 1
                                          Okay, I checked. I have a site setup which is, I guess, how the system knows to upload my files to my web server.

                                          But Murray was right!! This is the most confusing and painful stuff I have EVER run across. I am a decent PowerBuilder developer and have done lots of stuff in FrontPage.

                                          I went through everything again tonight and now I can't even view the page correctly from my own system. Big step backwards. Maybe I missed something, but I just don't get it!!

                                          I changed all of the links to point to the server (I guess). I don't know why DW doesn't dynamically change the pointers to the server like every other tool does that I have used.

                                          Is there someone that sells a template like Halo Left Nav that makes it easy to work with?

                                          I am real close to going back to FrontPage.

                                          Thanks in advance for your help.

                                          Best,

                                          Paul Murray
                                          • 18. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                            Level 7
                                            > I changed all of the links to point to the server (I guess). I don't know
                                            > why
                                            > DW doesn't dynamically change the pointers to the server like every other
                                            > tool
                                            > does that I have used.

                                            What? You did WHAT?

                                            > Is there someone that sells a template like Halo Left Nav that makes it
                                            > easy
                                            > to work with?

                                            http://www.dreamweaverresources.com
                                            http://www.projectseven.com
                                            http://www.maxdesign.com.au

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                                            "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                            > Okay, I checked. I have a site setup which is, I guess, how the system
                                            > knows
                                            > to upload my files to my web server.
                                            >
                                            > But Murray was right!! This is the most confusing and painful stuff I
                                            > have
                                            > EVER run across. I am a decent PowerBuilder developer and have done lots
                                            > of
                                            > stuff in FrontPage.
                                            >
                                            > I went through everything again tonight and now I can't even view the page
                                            > correctly from my own system. Big step backwards. Maybe I missed
                                            > something,
                                            > but I just don't get it!!
                                            >
                                            > I changed all of the links to point to the server (I guess). I don't know
                                            > why
                                            > DW doesn't dynamically change the pointers to the server like every other
                                            > tool
                                            > does that I have used.
                                            >
                                            > Is there someone that sells a template like Halo Left Nav that makes it
                                            > easy
                                            > to work with?
                                            >
                                            > I am real close to going back to FrontPage.
                                            >
                                            > Thanks in advance for your help.
                                            >
                                            > Best,
                                            >
                                            > Paul Murray
                                            >


                                            • 19. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                              Level 1
                                              PEM_, no offense intended. Web authoring app is web authoring app. However there are some features that contribute the smooth flow of design and development around whatever web authoring apps.

                                              Some people assume that powerful, high-end web authoring app automatically do things for you. It is not going to happen.

                                              Speaking of which, to understand how these functionality of web authoring apps, know HTML inside out, groundup and in its entirety. And get your hands-on dirty under the hood of whatever web authoring app, the more you understand how HTML works, and what is not.
                                              • 20. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                PEM_ Level 1
                                                Dear Deaf,

                                                Actually, I am fairly familiar with HTML. It is the CSS that I am having trouble with.

                                                Dear Murray

                                                I did WHAT? Okay, maybe it sounds stupid, but in the code view (as Josie1One aptly pointed out) the URL for the images were pointing to my hard drive (as well as the CSS file). When I do this in Frontpage, it automatically creates a relative path and uploads the files to the right place. DW uploads the files to the right place, but still points to my hard drive. Not much help for those on the web.

                                                I think today I will start from scratch.

                                                Thanks to all for all of your comments.

                                                Best,

                                                PEM
                                                • 21. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                  Level 7
                                                  Okay, maybe it sounds stupid, but in the code view (as Josie1One
                                                  > aptly pointed out) the URL for the images were pointing to my hard drive

                                                  And Jo asked the correct question - did you define a site for this work?
                                                  Such links almost always mean that you have done one of the following -

                                                  1. Not defined a local site
                                                  2. Inserted an image from outside your local site, and not copied it within
                                                  when prompted
                                                  3. Saved the page outside of the local site

                                                  I don't know of any other situation that would cause this to happen. But
                                                  this is not a DW problem - it's a user error.

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                                                  "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                                  > Dear Deaf,
                                                  >
                                                  > Actually, I am fairly familiar with HTML. It is the CSS that I am having
                                                  > trouble with.
                                                  >
                                                  > Dear Murray
                                                  >
                                                  > I did WHAT? Okay, maybe it sounds stupid, but in the code view (as
                                                  > Josie1One
                                                  > aptly pointed out) the URL for the images were pointing to my hard drive
                                                  > (as
                                                  > well as the CSS file). When I do this in Frontpage, it automatically
                                                  > creates a
                                                  > relative path and uploads the files to the right place. DW uploads the
                                                  > files
                                                  > to the right place, but still points to my hard drive. Not much help for
                                                  > those
                                                  > on the web.
                                                  >
                                                  > I think today I will start from scratch.
                                                  >
                                                  > Thanks to all for all of your comments.
                                                  >
                                                  > Best,
                                                  >
                                                  > PEM
                                                  >


                                                  • 22. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                    MrBob78 Level 1
                                                    Murray,
                                                    In the old days we called such a user a "PEBKAC"
                                                    (problem exists between keyboard and chair")
                                                    Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation.
                                                    • 23. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                      Level 7
                                                      Even in the new days we use that!

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                                                      "MrBob78" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                                      > Murray,
                                                      > In the old days we called such a user a "PEBKAC"
                                                      > (problem exists between keyboard and chair")
                                                      > Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation.


                                                      • 24. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                        PEM_ Level 1
                                                        Murray,

                                                        Can I safely assume this is your article?

                                                        http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/dissecting_halo_print.html

                                                        If I follow the directions do you think I dig my self out?

                                                        Thanks!

                                                        PEM
                                                        • 25. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                          Level 7
                                                          Yes, it's mine. No, I don't think you will help yourself reading that
                                                          article. That article will help you understand the navigation system in
                                                          HALO, but you'll still be in trouble with the layout, which is equally
                                                          quirky.

                                                          Just go to maxdesign, as I linked and get one of their layouts. And if you
                                                          can't take it from there, then you really shouldn't use HALO. I hope that's
                                                          not too harsh....

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                                                          "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                                          > Murray,
                                                          >
                                                          > Can I safely assume this is your article?
                                                          >
                                                          > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/dissecting_halo_print.html
                                                          >
                                                          > If I follow the directions do you think I dig my self out?
                                                          >
                                                          > Thanks!
                                                          >
                                                          > PEM
                                                          >


                                                          • 26. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                            PEM_ Level 1
                                                            I AM NOT AN ANIMAL!!

                                                            No, Murray, that was not too harsh. And I thank you for your time spent in authoring the article, because it was helpful to me in taking out some of the navigation that I did not want. If you ever did get around to authoring the second article on CSS, I would love to read it.

                                                            I still have no idea how my original 'put' ended up with pointers back to my 'C' drive. I am sure that is what yielded your 'WHAT?'. This time I created the server definition before I added graphics. Seems to work better. Other tools I have used did not require the server definition to be done first.

                                                            Thanks to you, I now at least have the page cleaned up a bit with my graphics showing (in somewhat) the correct places.

                                                            http:// staysys tems.com/index2.html (link broken because I don't want it searched on)

                                                            As I am a glutton for punishment, I did use the Halo Left Nav. Of course, taking out the breadcrumb nav makes my logo overlap into the page...

                                                            Next up is to torture myself with CSS. I did look through MaxDesign. Great Site. Didn't see what is probably an obvious link to a Halo Left Nav replacement.

                                                            Again, thanks for your help.

                                                            Best,

                                                            PEM
                                                            • 27. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                              Level 7
                                                              > I would love to read it

                                                              Me too - but I'm sure it will never be written! 8) The layout is just too
                                                              awkward. Your best bet is to stick with these -

                                                              http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/qdmacfly/index.htm
                                                              http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/css.html
                                                              http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/tableless_layout_dw8.html
                                                              http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_concepts.html

                                                              > This time I created
                                                              > the server definition before I added graphics. Seems to work better.
                                                              > Other
                                                              > tools I have used did not require the server definition to be done first.

                                                              This would make no difference. Your links are not based on anything other
                                                              than your local site's definition.

                                                              > Other
                                                              > tools I have used did not require the server definition to be done first.

                                                              Neither does DW.

                                                              > Next up is to torture myself with CSS. I did look through MaxDesign.
                                                              > Great
                                                              > Site. Didn't see what is probably an obvious link to a Halo Left Nav
                                                              > replacement.

                                                              Check the tutorials linked above. With regard to maxdesign, you are not
                                                              seeing the forest for the trees. Pick a two column, header, fixed
                                                              width/flexible layout and style it as you want. That's all the HALO -
                                                              LeftNav is.

                                                              Good luck!

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                                                              "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                                              >I AM NOT AN ANIMAL!!
                                                              >
                                                              > No, Murray, that was not too harsh. And I thank you for your time spent
                                                              > in
                                                              > authoring the article, because it was helpful to me in taking out some of
                                                              > the
                                                              > navigation that I did not want. If you ever did get around to authoring
                                                              > the
                                                              > second article on CSS, I would love to read it.
                                                              >
                                                              > I still have no idea how my original 'put' ended up with pointers back to
                                                              > my
                                                              > 'C' drive. I am sure that is what yielded your 'WHAT?'. This time I
                                                              > created
                                                              > the server definition before I added graphics. Seems to work better.
                                                              > Other
                                                              > tools I have used did not require the server definition to be done first.
                                                              >
                                                              > Thanks to you, I now at least have the page cleaned up a bit with my
                                                              > graphics
                                                              > showing (in somewhat) the correct places.
                                                              >
                                                              > http:// staysys tems.com/index2.html (link broken because I don't want it
                                                              > searched on)
                                                              >
                                                              > As I am a glutton for punishment, I did use the Halo Left Nav. Of course,
                                                              > taking out the breadcrumb nav makes my logo overlap into the page...
                                                              >
                                                              > Next up is to torture myself with CSS. I did look through MaxDesign.
                                                              > Great
                                                              > Site. Didn't see what is probably an obvious link to a Halo Left Nav
                                                              > replacement.
                                                              >
                                                              > Again, thanks for your help.
                                                              >
                                                              > Best,
                                                              >
                                                              > PEM
                                                              >


                                                              • 28. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                Level 7

                                                                : Check the tutorials linked above. With regard to maxdesign, you are not
                                                                : seeing the forest for the trees. Pick a two column, header, fixed
                                                                : width/flexible layout and style it as you want. That's all the HALO -
                                                                : LeftNav is.


                                                                A few free templates here that may help you get started
                                                                http://www.dreamweaverresources.com/freetemplates.htm


                                                                or the maxdesign ones that Murray is talking about are here: -they are a bit
                                                                of a bugger to find - take your pick :)
                                                                http://maxdesign.com.au/presentation/page_layouts/


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                                                                • 29. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                  Level 1
                                                                  If I may to chime in and offer a good tip...

                                                                  I really think that by looking at your css layout website and test it at the same time as time go.

                                                                  The thing I find very useful tool for web developers and web designers, I also like to think that it is ideally useful tool for someone like you to learn and understand how css work in terms of coding and testing with development stage of css layout. To do so by learning more how it relates to viewing on web browser, namely a quick example, Firefox browser (it works on Mac or Windows). If you do not have Firefox browser, you are encouraged to download this at mozilla.org site.

                                                                  Once you successfully download that, and successfully installing it on your machine, you are encouraged to download Mozilla Add-ons feature, namely a pretty darn neato feature developed by Chris Pederick. To do so, you can download that Add on at this URL address below:

                                                                  Web Developer 1.0.2: <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/60/>

                                                                  What does this feature do for you? It is basically a nice menu and toolbar with nice quality web standard development tools.

                                                                  So, what I had this in mind, when you are working with css and want to test your css layout, you can look it up in your Firefox browser and use one of those pretty darn options of features to look at your css layout under Information tool bar. There are lot of things to use under Information. It is hard to explain this here, but you need to see this for yourself. One of those neato features, you'll be able to see the "little yellow labels" all over your web page to reflect the relationship of coded css and the layout of css.

                                                                  I am sorry if I don't explain this clearly, but I strongly recommend you to download FF. Once you install FF, then you can download this add-on Web Developer 1.0.2, you'll see what I mean. Play with it.

                                                                  The thing with FF and Web Developer 1.0.2, you also can valid this through one of those toolbar features included in FF/Web Developer. It is a big time saver and good tips at the same time.

                                                                  Hope that helps. Let us know if you think it is a nice tool or not. Up to you.
                                                                  • 30. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                    PEM_ Level 1
                                                                    Dear Murray, Nadia and Deaf,

                                                                    Thanks for the plethora of information. I continue to tweak my website within the confines of the existing CSS definition of Halo Left Nav. Nadia, I checked out a bunch of the templates, but didn't see anything that I really liked (not that I am not willing to pay for it). In fact, I would pay for a simplied or tweaked version of Halo Left Nav if someone has it kicking around. Deaf, I have FireFox and I will download and install the addon as suggested. I have dug into html before and know enough that I could never figure out why the tags were not called tc (tablecolumn) and tr (tablerow) instead of td (?) and tr (tablerow). I am sure that visually seeing where the 'little yellow labels' are will be very helpful.

                                                                    Note to Murray. My site will be pretty simple. Something like eight pages in total. So I don't need the "subglobal link" options below. As the site grows I will. Did I miss something in your article as far as an easy way to cast out these devils?

                                                                    Thanks!! You guys are a great bunch. I usually post at Experts-Exchange which is quite useful. But the air of camaraderie here is quite nice.

                                                                    Thanks again,

                                                                    PEM

                                                                    PEM
                                                                    • 31. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                      Level 7
                                                                      > Did I miss something in your article as far as an easy way to cast out
                                                                      > these devils?

                                                                      Yes - and those are indeed the devils. Read the article again, and focus on
                                                                      how to modify the subglobal count. That's really the heart of the article.


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                                                                      "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                                                      > Dear Murray, Nadia and Deaf,
                                                                      >
                                                                      > Thanks for the plethora of information. I continue to tweak my website
                                                                      > within
                                                                      > the confines of the existing CSS definition of Halo Left Nav. Nadia, I
                                                                      > checked
                                                                      > out a bunch of the templates, but didn't see anything that I really liked
                                                                      > (not
                                                                      > that I am not willing to pay for it). In fact, I would pay for a simplied
                                                                      > or
                                                                      > tweaked version of Halo Left Nav if someone has it kicking around. Deaf,
                                                                      > I
                                                                      > have FireFox and I will download and install the addon as suggested. I
                                                                      > have
                                                                      > dug into html before and know enough that I could never figure out why the
                                                                      > tags
                                                                      > were not called tc (tablecolumn) and tr (tablerow) instead of td (?) and
                                                                      > tr
                                                                      > (tablerow). I am sure that visually seeing where the 'little yellow
                                                                      > labels'
                                                                      > are will be very helpful.
                                                                      >
                                                                      > Note to Murray. My site will be pretty simple. Something like eight
                                                                      > pages in
                                                                      > total. So I don't need the "subglobal link" options below. As the site
                                                                      > grows
                                                                      > I will. Did I miss something in your article as far as an easy way to
                                                                      > cast out
                                                                      > these devils?
                                                                      >
                                                                      > Thanks!! You guys are a great bunch. I usually post at Experts-Exchange
                                                                      > which is quite useful. But the air of camaraderie here is quite nice.
                                                                      >
                                                                      > Thanks again,
                                                                      >
                                                                      > PEM
                                                                      >
                                                                      > PEM
                                                                      >


                                                                      • 32. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                        PEM_ Level 1
                                                                        Dear Murray,

                                                                        I went back and read your article. I still get the idea that the premise of the article is to modify the javascript to make the use of the subglobal link menus easier to use. I want to get rid of them.

                                                                        I changed the names of the main menu items to what I want my users to see. When the user does a mouseover I want the halo effect on the menu, but I do not want them to see the sub menu. Instead, when they click on the highlighted menu item, I want them to see a different page that corresponds to that menu item.

                                                                        That is my project for today.

                                                                        If I still misunderstood the intent of the article, I am stupid and apologize profusely for that.

                                                                        Best,

                                                                        PEM
                                                                        • 33. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                          PEM_ Level 1
                                                                          Murray,

                                                                          Never mind. I took the down and dirty way out. I just put a space where the menu item names were as follows:

                                                                          <div id="subglobal1" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                          <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                          </div>

                                                                          Then for the top level menu, I just put in the href as:

                                                                          <a href="/Features.html" id="gl1" class="glink" onmouseover="ehandler(event,menuitem1);">Features</a>

                                                                          The good news is that it seems to work. I admit that there may be some overhead with the page, but I think it will not be noticeable.

                                                                          Also, when I get to the point where I do want to utilize the subglobal link, the framework will still be there for me.

                                                                          GOOD | BAD | WHATEVER

                                                                          Thanks Murray,

                                                                          PEM
                                                                          • 34. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                            Level 7
                                                                            > If I still misunderstood the intent of the article

                                                                            You did not misunderstand it. However, my point is if you understand the
                                                                            feng shui of *adding* an element to teh subglobals, you will also understand
                                                                            the feng shui of removing an element from the subglobals, and in fact, what
                                                                            you want to do is to REMOVE them all. That should be easy to accomplish -
                                                                            having clearly identified the three parts of the navigation system, just
                                                                            delete them all.

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                                                                            "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                                                            > Dear Murray,
                                                                            >
                                                                            > I went back and read your article. I still get the idea that the premise
                                                                            > of
                                                                            > the article is to modify the javascript to make the use of the subglobal
                                                                            > link
                                                                            > menus easier to use. I want to get rid of them.
                                                                            >
                                                                            > I changed the names of the main menu items to what I want my users to see.
                                                                            > When the user does a mouseover I want the halo effect on the menu, but I
                                                                            > do not
                                                                            > want them to see the sub menu. Instead, when they click on the
                                                                            > highlighted
                                                                            > menu item, I want them to see a different page that corresponds to that
                                                                            > menu
                                                                            > item.
                                                                            >
                                                                            > That is my project for today.
                                                                            >
                                                                            > If I still misunderstood the intent of the article, I am stupid and
                                                                            > apologize
                                                                            > profusely for that.
                                                                            >
                                                                            > Best,
                                                                            >
                                                                            > PEM
                                                                            >


                                                                            • 35. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                              PEM_ Level 1
                                                                              I commented them out as follows:

                                                                              <!-- <div id="subglobal1" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                              <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                              </div>
                                                                              <div id="subglobal2" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                              <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                              </div>
                                                                              <div id="subglobal3" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                              <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                              </div>
                                                                              <div id="subglobal4" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                              <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                              </div>
                                                                              <div id="subglobal5" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                              <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                              </div>
                                                                              <div id="subglobal6" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                              <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                              </div>
                                                                              <div id="subglobal7" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                              <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                              </div>
                                                                              <div id="subglobal8" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                              <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                              </div> -->

                                                                              Also, I implemented (as best I could) changes to the javascript that you suggested to make the menus more flexible.

                                                                              And somewhere along the line a javascript error cropped up...

                                                                              Line: 43
                                                                              Char: 7
                                                                              Error: 'Menuitem1' is undefined
                                                                              URL: http://www.staysys tems.com/index2.html

                                                                              It seems to work okay, but I am sure that 'Error On Page' symbol does not instill confidence in anyone.

                                                                              Thanks!!

                                                                              Paul


                                                                              • 36. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                                Level 7
                                                                                > Line: 43
                                                                                > Char: 7
                                                                                > Error: 'Menuitem1' is undefined
                                                                                > URL: http://www.staysys tems.com/index2.html

                                                                                This error means you did not delete the elements of the menu. Go back to
                                                                                the tutorial. I talk about three places where you have to change the
                                                                                javascript to make the menu work with more subglobals. Identify each of
                                                                                them, and remove them.

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                                                                                "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                                                                >I commented them out as follows:
                                                                                >
                                                                                > <!-- <div id="subglobal1" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                                > <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a
                                                                                > href="#">
                                                                                > </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                                > </div>
                                                                                > <div id="subglobal2" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                                > <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a
                                                                                > href="#">
                                                                                > </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                                > </div>
                                                                                > <div id="subglobal3" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                                > <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a
                                                                                > href="#">
                                                                                > </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                                > </div>
                                                                                > <div id="subglobal4" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                                > <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a
                                                                                > href="#">
                                                                                > </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                                > </div>
                                                                                > <div id="subglobal5" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                                > <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a
                                                                                > href="#">
                                                                                > </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                                > </div>
                                                                                > <div id="subglobal6" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                                > <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a
                                                                                > href="#">
                                                                                > </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                                > </div>
                                                                                > <div id="subglobal7" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                                > <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a
                                                                                > href="#">
                                                                                > </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                                > </div>
                                                                                > <div id="subglobal8" class="subglobalNav">
                                                                                > <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a
                                                                                > href="#">
                                                                                > </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a> <a href="#"> </a>
                                                                                > </div> -->
                                                                                >
                                                                                > Also, I implemented (as best I could) changes to the javascript that you
                                                                                > suggested to make the menus more flexible.
                                                                                >
                                                                                > And somewhere along the line a javascript error cropped up...
                                                                                >
                                                                                > Line: 43
                                                                                > Char: 7
                                                                                > Error: 'Menuitem1' is undefined
                                                                                > URL: http://www.staysys tems.com/index2.html
                                                                                >
                                                                                > It seems to work okay, but I am sure that 'Error On Page' symbol does not
                                                                                > instill confidence in anyone.
                                                                                >
                                                                                > Thanks!!
                                                                                >
                                                                                > Paul
                                                                                >
                                                                                >
                                                                                >
                                                                                >


                                                                                • 37. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                                  PEM_ Level 1
                                                                                  Hi Murray,

                                                                                  After some slashing and burning I was able to eradicate the javascript error.

                                                                                  Commenting out stuff and rendering does help to show which code does what.

                                                                                  Thanks!

                                                                                  PEM
                                                                                  • 38. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                                    PEM_ Level 1
                                                                                    Okay, well maybe not.

                                                                                    It loads okay, but when I mouseover the menu, I do get an error.

                                                                                    PEM
                                                                                    • 39. Re: Dreamweaver Sample CSS &quot;Halo Left Nav&quot;
                                                                                      Level 7
                                                                                      Post a link to the page, please.

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                                                                                      "PEM_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                                                                      > Okay, well maybe not.
                                                                                      >
                                                                                      > It loads okay, but when I mouseover the menu, I do get an error.
                                                                                      >
                                                                                      > PEM


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