16 Replies Latest reply on Nov 26, 2008 7:36 PM by HansPL

    Dreamweaver for $191.00 – real?

    HansPL Level 1
      At

      http://www.softwareforless.com/academic-CS4-DREAMWEAVER-10-WIN-ED-80396K.html

      Dreamweaver CS4 10 sells for $191.00. Is this a real deal? Thought I would ask here before I go ahead.

      Thanks,

      Hans L
        • 1. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
          Level 7
          That's the academic price. You have to be a student to qualify for it and
          you can't use it for commercial purposes. Check the Adobe site for specific
          details. The use restriction may be different, I'm stating what it was the
          last time I looked.

          --

          Walt


          "HansPL" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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          > At
          >
          > http://www.softwareforless.com/academic-CS4-DREAMWEAVER-10-WIN-ED-80396K.html
          >
          > Dreamweaver CS4 10 sells for $191.00. Is this a real deal? Thought I
          > would
          > ask here before I go ahead.
          >
          > Thanks,
          >
          > Hans L
          >
          >


          • 2. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
            HansPL Level 1
            Thank you, Walt.

            Only now, when I looked at my own post did I notice the "academic" in the URL. Nowhere on the page in question (that I can see) does Software for Less.com mention that this is the academic version. Bastards!!! (Excuse my Swedish.)

            I wonder if one can trust any of these software sellers!?

            Regards,

            Hans L
            • 3. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
              Level 7
              "HansPL" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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              > Thank you, Walt.
              >
              > Only now, when I looked at my own post did I notice the "academic" in the
              > URL.
              > Nowhere on the page in question (that I can see) does Software for
              > Less.com
              > mention that this is the academic version. Bastards!!! (Excuse my
              > Swedish.)
              >
              > I wonder if one can trust any of these software sellers!?

              It's generally true - and especially so with software - that if a price
              looks too good to be true, it probably is. I have bought a LOT of software
              over the years. Most "steals" are either bootlegs or at best academic
              versions concerning which the seller is trying to downplay the nature of the
              license.

              --
              Tim G.
              http://www.pactumweb.com
              http://www.shortordersite.com


              • 4. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 – real?
                JoeDaSilva Level 4
                You can trust Adobe.com ;-)
                • 5. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                  bregent Most Valuable Participant
                  >That's the academic price. You have to be a student to qualify for it and
                  >you can't use it for commercial purposes. Check the Adobe site for specific
                  >details. The use restriction may be different, I'm stating what it was the
                  >last time I looked.

                  It looks like the restriction for commercial use has been removed - I couldn't find anything in the education store website. BTW, the academic price direct from Adobe is $199. Hey, if you qualify why not. The text in the education section also makes it sound like you may be able to upgrade from academic versions now too.
                  • 6. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                    HansPL Level 1
                    Yes, I bought one bootleg version of a piece of software once, and whenI discovered it, I bought the legal version. You pay learning money in life :-(

                    By no stretch of the imagination do I qualify as a student, but based on how my wife teaches me to live my life every day, I wonder:-) So, while I have the money to fork out, the question that I am wrestling with is whether to go with Dreamweaver, which has basically everything, or with Kompozer, which might not have even some stuff that a newby like me needs. You see, I have learned that even though I am a beginner in many instances (website development, Foxpro), that is no guarantee that I need only simple functions from the software.

                    Kindly give me your gut feeling: can a beginner start with the simpler functions of Dreamweaver without getting lost in its plethora of menus/functions/features, and then work himself up over the next year or two to "master" the software?

                    Regards,

                    Hans L
                    • 7. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                      Level 7
                      > Kindly give me your gut feeling: can a beginner start with the simpler
                      > functions of Dreamweaver without getting lost in its plethora of
                      > menus/functions/features, and then work himself up over the next year or
                      > two to
                      > "master" the software?

                      If the beginner has a good feel for HTML and CSS theory, then DW will be
                      simple to pick up - mastering it will take a longer time, but starting with
                      a good background will make the learning curve quite flat.


                      --
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                      "HansPL" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                      > Yes, I bought one bootleg version of a piece of software once, and whenI
                      > discovered it, I bought the legal version. You pay learning money in life
                      > :-(
                      >
                      > By no stretch of the imagination do I qualify as a student, but based on
                      > how
                      > my wife teaches me to live my life every day, I wonder:-) So, while I
                      > have the
                      > money to fork out, the question that I am wrestling with is whether to go
                      > with
                      > Dreamweaver, which has basically everything, or with Kompozer, which might
                      > not
                      > have even some stuff that a newby like me needs. You see, I have learned
                      > that
                      > even though I am a beginner in many instances (website development,
                      > Foxpro),
                      > that is no guarantee that I need only simple functions from the software.
                      >
                      > Kindly give me your gut feeling: can a beginner start with the simpler
                      > functions of Dreamweaver without getting lost in its plethora of
                      > menus/functions/features, and then work himself up over the next year or
                      > two to
                      > "master" the software?
                      >
                      > Regards,
                      >
                      > Hans L
                      >

                      • 8. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                        HansPL Level 1
                        Murray, am I correct in assuming that you do not need to know a heck of a lot of HTML and CSS coding (baxause DW creates the code for you mostly?), but that it is helpful to know the theroy of HTML and CSS in order to be able to plan and lay out the website? If I am wrong, could you elaborate just a smidge?

                        Thanks,

                        Hans L
                        • 9. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                          Level 7
                          > Murray, am I correct in assuming that you do not need to know a heck of a
                          > lot
                          > of HTML and CSS coding (baxause DW creates the code for you mostly?), but
                          > that
                          > it is helpful to know the theroy of HTML and CSS in order to be able to
                          > plan
                          > and lay out the website? If I am wrong, could you elaborate just a
                          > smidge?

                          That's mostly correct. How can you plan the best way to build the site in
                          HTML if you don't have the HTML knowledge to plan it? 8)

                          In addition, if you work primarily in Design view (dragging and dropping
                          things), you will frequently find yourself in bottomless pits which you
                          simply can't get out of in Design view. So, you have to know enough
                          HTML/CSS to be able to watch what you are doing in Code view, and make sure
                          that it happens properly.

                          So - it is important to have this knowledge across the board. And
                          furthermore, if you have it, you will want to use it by working in both
                          Design view and Code view, doncha know?

                          --
                          Murray --- ICQ 71997575
                          Adobe Community Expert
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                          "HansPL" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                          > Murray, am I correct in assuming that you do not need to know a heck of a
                          > lot
                          > of HTML and CSS coding (baxause DW creates the code for you mostly?), but
                          > that
                          > it is helpful to know the theroy of HTML and CSS in order to be able to
                          > plan
                          > and lay out the website? If I am wrong, could you elaborate just a
                          > smidge?
                          >
                          > Thanks,
                          >
                          > Hans L
                          >

                          • 10. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                            HansPL Level 1
                            Great info, Murray! One last question – do you or anyone else know of a good place to learn HTML and, in particular, CSS. I would like to get a good overview, and then dig into some details. I will look at the net tonight also for such sites.

                            Regards,

                            Hans L
                            • 11. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                              Level 7
                              http://www.w3schools.com is the right place to start. Then you can also go
                              here -

                              http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/qdmacfly/index.htm
                              http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/css.html
                              http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/tableless_layout_dw8.html
                              http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_concepts.html


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                              Murray --- ICQ 71997575
                              Adobe Community Expert
                              (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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                              ==================


                              "HansPL" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                              > Great info, Murray! One last question ? do you or anyone else know of a
                              > good
                              > place to learn HTML and, in particular, CSS. I would like to get a good
                              > overview, and then dig into some details. I will look at the net tonight
                              > also
                              > for such sites.
                              >
                              > Regards,
                              >
                              > Hans L
                              >

                              • 12. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 – real?
                                HansPL Level 1
                                Murray, I'm 7 lessons into HTML. Love it!

                                Now, I said I had finished asking questions, but one (or maybe two) ran up in my head , and it might be silly, but here they are:

                                - if people add data to my database, will those date reside on the server or on my computer or no both?

                                - I guess the database software is MySQL. Will I have to learn that too (I am shivering)???

                                Regards,

                                Hans L
                                • 13. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                                  Level 7
                                  "HansPL" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                  news:ggkbuo$k81$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                  > Great info, Murray! One last question ? do you or anyone else know of a
                                  > good
                                  > place to learn HTML and, in particular, CSS. I would like to get a good
                                  > overview, and then dig into some details. I will look at the net tonight
                                  > also
                                  > for such sites.

                                  In addition to the excellent online resources Murray pointed you to (and I
                                  would add http://reference.sitepoint.com/ ), I really like these books:

                                  Elizabeth Castro, HTML for the World Wide Web (Visual Quickstart Guide)
                                  Eric Meyer, Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide (O'Reilly)

                                  Site Point (linked above) also has some pretty good CSS books.

                                  --
                                  Tim G.
                                  http://www.pactumweb.com
                                  http://www.shortordersite.com


                                  • 14. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                                    HansPL Level 1
                                    Tim, thanks for the additional site. And I will look at the Elizabeth Castro and Eric Meyer books. If they are anything like Stephanie Sullivan (oh my god!) ... i mean, Stephanie Sullivan's book, ...I mean ...

                                    Happy Thanksgiving (if you are in the US)!

                                    Hans L
                                    • 15. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                                      Level 7
                                      "HansPL" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                      > Tim, thanks for the additional site. And I will look at the Elizabeth
                                      > Castro
                                      > and Eric Meyer books. If they are anything like Stephanie Sullivan (oh my
                                      > god!) ... i mean, Stephanie Sullivan's book, ...I mean ...

                                      You're welcome!

                                      I think you'll find all of those resources helpful. but of course keep in
                                      mind that different folks learn differently. Meyer isn't very visual; if you
                                      want a more visual but less comprehensive guide, you can try Jason Beaird's
                                      The Principles of Beautiful Web Design or The Art & Science of CSS by Adams,
                                      Bolton et al - both are Sitepoint books.

                                      > Happy Thanksgiving (if you are in the US)!

                                      I'm a Canuck, thank you - we like to be ahead of the curve, and celebrated
                                      Thanksgiving quite some time ago. ;-)

                                      --
                                      Tim G.
                                      http://www.pactumweb.com
                                      http://www.shortordersite.com


                                      • 16. Re: Dreamweaver for $191.00 ? real?
                                        HansPL Level 1
                                        I'll peek at those other books too, Tim.

                                        Thanks and have a great rest of the week.

                                        Hans L