30 Replies Latest reply on Jun 22, 2008 6:45 AM by the_wine_snob

    Teacher needs help rendering videos

    Level 1
      My school purchased Premiere for the kids to use next year. I'm having a hard time rendering videos. No matter what options I use the files come out 10x the size they should. For instance my original unedited files are 2 gigs. When I export video it ends up being 15-40 gigs depending on which codec I use. How can I render files so their the same size or smaller of the originals? Are there codecs or something I can install. Ideally I'd like the kids to export everything as .mpeg. Is this possible? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
        • 1. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
          Jim_Simon Level 8
          If you want to export an MPEG, then you select that option in the export settings. I'm must not understanding something, because that part seems pretty obvious.

          As for file size... what kind of media are you working with?
          • 2. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
            Level 1
            I don't have an option for MPEG. My only options are AVI and Quicktime. We have the master collection so I'm unsure if certain things aren't included. Is there something I need to install to have the MPEG option?
            • 4. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
              Eddie Lotter Level 4

              Use "Export > Adobe Media Encoder" not "Export > Movie". The Help is quite clear about this.

              You will also find links to many free tutorials in the PremiereProPedia that will quickly show you how things are done in Premiere Pro.


              Cheers
              Eddie

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              • 5. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                Jim_Simon Level 8
                Oh, Bobby. Looks like you've got your summer reading list planned out for you. I suggest the manual from cover to cover - before your try teaching the program.
                • 6. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                  akribie Level 2
                  Working through the free video tutorials that came on a DVD with the Master Collection would help both teacher and pupils alike, by the sound of it.
                  • 7. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                    shooternz Level 6
                    Sorry Bobby...Teachers who ask questions on this forum are often treated as if they should have no need to inform themselves or ask questions. You are expected to be an Expert (like the rest of us) before you have the audacity to teach and learn with the kids.

                    Dont be put off and ask what ever you want and I hope you got the answer to your question.
                    • 8. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                      Level 1
                      I just found some of these comments rather rude. Previously we used Ulead Movie Editor, and it was fairly simple. I felt as if kids could be doing more so we picked up Premiere and After Effects. I haven't used either since high school and they've vastly changed. I'm obviously wanting to inform myself with the programs before I have the kids using them. I never claimed to be an expert. I would watch the tutorials the master collection came with, but I left that in my classroom. I just ordered Total Training so maybe that'll help some. Thanks
                      • 9. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                        the_wine_snob Level 9
                        Bobby,

                        A good place to start the process is:
                        http://premierepro.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Tutorials

                        The Premiere-pedia has a wealth of knowledge, both in the tutorials, and the FAQ section.

                        Reading this forum is also very good for picking up on tips, tricks and problem solving.

                        Until you get the Total Training DVDs, check out the link above. A forum member, Eddie Lotter, has done a great deal of work with it, and the answers to many questions reside there.

                        Hunt
                        • 10. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                          Jim_Simon Level 8
                          >You are expected to be an Expert...before you...teach...the kids.

                          Though it was said sarcastically, I actually do find some agreement there. A teacher needs to fully understand any subject he or she plans to teach. The students deserve no less.

                          That doesn't mean that someone teaching a 12th grade physics class needs to be an expert in string theory (though it certainly wouldn't hurt). But when that teacher comes to an online forum asking about F=ma, then I get worried for the students.

                          In this case, it would seem that Bobby has plenty of time to learn Premiere before his responsibility to his students kicks in next school year. That he's here asking questions shows he does take that responsibility seriously. That's he asking such a basic question simply shows that he would be better off starting with the manual, from cover to cover, to fully learn the basics of Premiere.
                          • 11. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                            shooternz Level 6
                            If Bobby was teaching at "Film School" and teaching students "How to Edit with Premiere Pro CS3" I might agree with you (mostly).

                            I doubt he/she is... so must disagree.
                            • 12. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                              Level 1
                              You know the saying. Those who can't.... :)
                              • 13. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                akribie Level 2
                                I was trying to be helpful when suggesting use of the training DVDs. They are very good and very watchable and an excellent way to both learn and teach the subject.

                                I somewhat resent those who seek free advice then complaining when they are given it.
                                • 14. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                  Level 1
                                  Still read the manual before coming to a forum.
                                  • 15. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                    Jim_Simon Level 8
                                    I don't think it matters where a subject is being taught. If it was an adult education class working off a generator in the middle of the Sahara, the teacher should fully know the subject. I find it hard to believe anyone would argue with that very basic philosophy.
                                    • 16. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                      Eddie Lotter Level 4
                                      >I just ordered Total Training so maybe that'll help some.

                                      Total Training is one of the best out there. You did the right thing.


                                      Cheers
                                      Eddie

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                                      • 17. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                        shooternz Level 6
                                        Hey Jim:

                                        If not a place to learn what exactly does this User to User Forum exist for in your opinion?

                                        I can not believe that someone attempting to learn something and improve their knowledge (from here) is so harshly treated. Your answer to teachers is another subtle way of saying "RTFM" before you teach.

                                        Teachers are not born with the entire knowledge of the universe stored in their heads and neither were you. There is not even the time in a ten lifetimes for anyone to learn it all (you maybe the only exception).

                                        A teacher in a junior school for example maybe teaching multiple topics and not a specialist teacher. Why you expect them to be an expert in all topics is beyond me?

                                        Jim, What exactly are your expert qualifications to "teach", preach and offer advice on this Forum for example? (Must presume you came to the Forum as an expert and added nothing to your knowledge by being here)
                                        • 18. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                          Harm Millaard Level 7
                                          Graig,

                                          Would you select a junior school for your children, knowing that the teachers they employ, never finished junior school? Don't you think students have a right to a good education, especially with the tuition fees? Don't you think it a basic requirement that a teacher can answer most of the stupid questions asked or at least circumvent answering them in a plausible way? That requires experience and at the least a basic understanding of the material to be taught. Requirements for junior school are less than for a film academy, that is obvious, but the basic requirement for a successful teacher is that he can answer more questions asked, than all the parents answers together. If you don't have the basic education to achieve that, further schooling is required.
                                          • 19. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                            Jim_Simon Level 8
                                            >If not a place to learn what exactly does this User to User Forum exist for in your opinion?

                                            A fair question.

                                            I view forums in general, whether for Adobe software or Intuit software, as a place to come for those who already know what they're doing, but have a question that's not easily found in the manual or Help file.

                                            Again...First learn, then do. Don't come here because you tried to skip step one.

                                            Now, I realize that I haven't the say so to prevent anyone from coming here. I'm just trying to explain the viewpoint from which I answer questions.

                                            >Your answer to teachers is another subtle way of saying "RTFM" before you teach.

                                            And you disagree with that!? Again, I can't believe anyone would argue against the general idea that a teacher should have a commanding knowledge of his subject before he teaches it.

                                            >Teachers are not born with the entire knowledge of the universe stored in their heads

                                            Well, here is where my previous physics example come in. I'm not saying that a teacher needs to know everything about a subject. I am saying they need to have enough knowledge to teach at the level of the class.

                                            As it stands right now, Brian doesn't have that level of knowledge. I feel it entirely appropriate to both suggest that he become so informed, and to suggest what I feel is one of the standard references for doing so - the manual.
                                            • 20. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                              Dag Norum Level 2
                                              >I can't believe anyone would argue against the general idea that a teacher should have a commanding knowledge of his subject before he teaches it.

                                              Maybe, and maybe a little maybe, or maybe even a big maybe, that's exactly why he came here searching (hoping) for some help, in good time before he's going to teach...

                                              Help the teacher to be a good one. Don't tell him how to teach, he's probably way better at that than any of the regulars here...

                                              Dag

                                              PS! He has probably even teaching-school, who else here has?
                                              • 21. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                Level 1
                                                I feel as if I need to respond because I'm getting royally pissed with your dissing of my teaching credentials. I do not teach college, or junior college. I teach at the high school level. I do not have the "manual" with me. I'm not entirely sure my school even got a manual. If so, it wasn't in my box. Previously we used a program by Ulead. I was trying to create a video the same way that program was used. Export, Movie. It wasn't working correctly and I I didn't understand why. We have very limited hard drive space and I was worried this software wasn't going to be usable. We will be using this program for one hour of Video Productions. They only learn the basics of video editing. Such as cutting, transitions, green screen, overlays, audio effects, etc...

                                                I want to ask you a question?
                                                If a math teacher decides he wants his kids using a new "calculator" is it his responsibility to know what all 1,000 functions do when 99 percent of those functions won't be used in class?

                                                If so, you're asking way too much out of teachers. We are underpaid and only have the summers to learn new skills. If anything I think you should applaud me for taking the time to better myself without "pay."
                                                Are you honestly telling me if I played around with this program for two months I couldn't teach the basics to a high school group? Because I honestly think my Mom could and she barely can check email.

                                                This isn't the only class I teach. I teach four different subjects.
                                                • 22. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                  shooternz Level 6
                                                  Nicely put Dag and to which I would add..."dont tell him how to learn"

                                                  Jim : If a teacher is not "teaching to the level" of the class there are usually processes in place eg the school governing board / principal/ parents etc to attend to that matter. Not sure how exactly you established that Bobby is not up to the job when his /her employers (maybe) dont have any issue.

                                                  I currently have a 16 y.o student working in my facilty on a 1 day a week work experience for 20 weeks. Despite his teachers not being Premiere Pro Experts he has rocked in here with a great base knowledge of how to use the application. Part credit to his teachers and part credit to him.

                                                  He learns his own way and a little like my own kids - doesnt like or need to be told.
                                                  • 23. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                    Dag Norum Level 2
                                                    >"dont tell him how to learn"

                                                    Well, I must admit that the best advice I ever got from a teacher is:

                                                    "If you ever have a problem understanding anything, teach (explain) it to somebody! No matter to whom, if you have siblings that want to listen, fine, if not, teach (tell) your dog, lightpole or whatever close to you."

                                                    Words of wisdom in my book.

                                                    Dag

                                                    EDIT: Please notice that that my "book" is still quite small, I have the rest of my life to refine it.
                                                    • 24. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                      shooternz Level 6
                                                      Well said Bobby.

                                                      Unfortunately Harm and Jim live in a black and white world and life has no grey areas especially outside the box.

                                                      Anyway they are sent as a lesson to us all and I appreciate the time to debate stuff with them while I wait for my steam footage to render. (Two days work)

                                                      Topic over for me.
                                                      • 25. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                        Dag Norum Level 2
                                                        >I wait for my steam footage to render. (Two days work)

                                                        Basically the same here (minus the steam, except the steam from bosses), only that it has been a week for me.

                                                        Topic over for me also, I just hope Bobby dares to come back!

                                                        Dag

                                                        PS! It's in the "grey areas" the interesting stuff is happening...
                                                        • 26. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                          Level 1
                                                          Bobby-- take no offense to their comments, and certainly don't let it bother you. You've stepped into an on-going debate in this forum. There is a small (and vocal) minority who will tell you to read the manual before coming here. Most others will quietly help without making a fuss.

                                                          Most of us comprehend how life works at a public school; anybody who has ever trained school teachers or help set up video labs, knows that the person tasked with "teaching" a video editing class is rarely, if ever, a video editing teacher. (Now if this were a video production school, then I would agree the teacher should be well versed.) The majority of people on this forum understand that our nation's public schools rarely have the resources nor funding to hire a dedicated video instructor. The fact that you are willing to provide an opportunity for your students to learn video editing is wonderful; I can't tell you how many times I've helped a teacher set up a lab only to find they are using their own money, or dedicating their own "free time." I for one am appreciative of that. Who knows how many famous future directors you have sitting in your class. Your video lab may change their life.

                                                          Anybody with a heart will help a school teacher. So continue asking your questions. Those who want to help will. Ignore the detractors who have nothing useful to add.
                                                          • 27. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                            Steven L. Gotz Level 5
                                                            I am with Jeff on this one.

                                                            Besides, as was stated before, the best possible place to start is with the Total Training DVDs. Certainly better than working through a rather dull help file or manual.
                                                            • 28. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                              Jeff Bellune Adobe Community Professional
                                                              I'm guessing Bobby probably had to pay for the TT DVDs out-of-pocket. That is no small expense.

                                                              We should all have teachers that are so dedicated.

                                                              Even if Bobby's school or PTO is paying for the DVDs, kudos to him anyway for researching and finding the definitive PPro learning resource.

                                                              (With apologies to Jeff's tutorials, which are excellent!)
                                                              • 29. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                                Level 1
                                                                >(With apologies to Jeff's tutorials, which are excellent!)

                                                                Much appreciated, Jeff. But I can't deny the quality of Total Training as well as Lynda.com tutorials. Then again, free tutorials are hard to beat. ;)

                                                                http://blogs.digitalmediaonlineinc.com/jeffschell/
                                                                • 30. Re: Teacher needs help rendering videos
                                                                  the_wine_snob Level 9
                                                                  @Bobby,

                                                                  Just a question, if you're still around the forum, and I hope you are: did you get the answer to your initial question, regarding the Export of the Timeline? The answer is in post #4 from Eddie.

                                                                  Did it work for you, and did you get the results that you hoped for? Aside from the valuable link to F1 Help and "his" Premiere-pedia, he gave the necessary basics of the operation. Just hope that you found his post, as the thread rather took on a life of its own.

                                                                  As for the manual not being in the box, that is a commom IT practice, to remove all manuals and printed materials. I have seen this all too often in academic IT situations especially. I hope that you DID get the DVDs with their tutorials on them. (Seems that there is a lot of "hoping" going on here.)

                                                                  If you did not get Eddie's input, hit the "First" link below your initial post (left hand side of the screen) to bring up all responses. As I alluded to, this forum is a wealth of info on almost every aspect of Premiere. The "Search" option will allow you to find most articles and replies using chosen keywords. You might find more useful material if you go back up the hierarchy of the forum, so that your searches include every version of Premiere, not just CS3. While there are version differences and specifics, most of the basic stuff has already been posted on, but might reside in a discussion on CS2, or even a previous version.

                                                                  Enjoy your Summer Vacation and your new toy - Premiere.

                                                                  Hunt