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If you want to edit the video, get MiniDV. If you just want to watch it, buy a hard drive camera.
Mini Dv is the best choice for editing with premiere. the video is recorded on tape in dv avi format. premiere captures that video and sound from your camera thru a fire wire cable. (most mini dv cameras have fire wire plug on the camera and your computer may have the firewire plug as well. If not, then all you have to do is add firewire adapter to your computer. Also, you can control your camera thru the firewire interface. I highly recommend that you go with mini dv.
I personally have used both but I got tired of carring around a bunch of tapes... however it is slightly easier to edit with miniDV. I have a JVC HD HDD camera that edits fine in Premiere but I need to go through couple steps before I can get the footage into premiere.
MiniDV will offer both a better picture and easier editing than a hard drive camera. Make the sales staff you're working with feel very ashamed for not knowing this and shouting it loudly from their rooftops to all their potential customers.
HAHAHA! Point taken Jim. Pretty funny if you look at it that way.
Jeremy:"I am new to this and mostly for family and small business promo videos"
You'll be able to save some cash if you go with a miniDV cam but if convenience (no tapes) is what you're looking for and dont mind spending a little more, HDD camera is nice.
Either way, keep in mind what you'll be using it for..."mostly for family and small business promo videos"
> if convenience (no tapes) is what you're looking for and dont mind spending a little more, HDD camera is nice.
This is a nonsense argument IMO. Either you are out in the field shooting or in a studio. In case
1. You have camera, batteries, rainslicker, tripod, on camera light, shotgun, boompole, lavalier, wireless, spare batteries, white balance card or warm cards, etc. so who cares about 3 small tapes?
2. You bring your lighting set along in addition to all mentioned above, mic stands, lighting stands, AC cables, XLR cables, etc. So who again is complaining about a couple of small tapes?
The loss of quality with MPEG and ease of editing with DV far outweighs carrying a couple of small tapes.
My intention is not to argue but to merely give my simple advice and suggestions. I have nothing against miniDV at all. I've used them for years.
I think Harm's point, Tyson, is that we regulars do have a very big problem with the hard drive cameras, as there seems no end to people coming here asking for help on how to edit those files. So to suggest there may be any benefit at all to such cameras when the intent is to edit is something we object to.
Hard drive cameras are the better choice ONLY if you intend to shoot and watch, not edit, and even then only for personal use. For any kind of editing or business use, MiniDV is the only good choice.
I have nothing but respect for the posts and advice you and Harm have written especially because I've read and taken into account many of them. I just thought I would offer up what I could.
Hard disk can and will fail as well. True your camera can break but that scenario is present in all cases so you are adding another concern and as we all know if this is going to happen it is going to happen when you are shooting a really, really important subject whether it is commercial, fine art or personal.
A tape can fail as well I guess but then you can simply take it out and put a new one in.
80 GB hard drive with 60GB of footage and it fails that's a lot of reshooting.
I would myself like to see a back up system in all the cameras but I won't want to lose that much footage especially since I now do work in Europe. Kind of expensive!
Good point Wade.
It should be noted that it probably won't matter, on the quality issue, if it's just a little inexpensive small camcorder. Either way, the quality will probably be limited by the sensor and lens more than the format.
That being said, often times these hard disk camcorders record in MPEG format, which while being editable on Premiere, it's a lot slower with more potential for quality lost by editing the video. The tapes, on the other hand, will use DV video format, which is each frame compressed separately, making the video easy for editing software.
I prefer DV any day, because DV is a good standard and you'll be able to play those tapes on any camera or device that can play DV tapes. Additionally, DV devices nearly always (never seen one that doesn't) have a FireWire port for both device control and transferring the video directly into your editor. To top it all off, DV tapes are small and while magnetic media won't last forever, you can store your tapes away for a long time and you don't have to waste gobs and gobs of hard drive space on your PC just to keep your raw footage in case you need it at some point.
However, if it's an HDV camcorder with a hard drive, then the video would be the same to edit either way and you can record far longer than a tape allows; a 120GB drive would store about the same amount of footage as 10 DV tapes. Unfortunately, you'll lose the ability to "emulate" a DV device like you can with most HDV tape-base cameras.
Hope that helps..
Does anyone make a hard drive HDV camera?
Sony HDR SR7
Hitachi DZ BD7H
None of those are HDV cameras. They record in AVCHD, which Premiere cannot edit.
The footage can be converted to the HDV format with a $75 tool from Elecard.
You know, I didn't even realize that the Sony Hard Drive camcorders weren't doing HDV. I almost purchased one for a small carry-along HD camcorder, too.
Considering that AVCHD is MPEG4 streams, if you thought HDV editing was painful, I can't imagine trying to "natively" edit AVCHD.
You'd probably be better off converting it to something else even if Premiere Pro could edit it directly =) But if you owned a camera that uses the format, it would surely be nice to be able to drop the video on the timeline for some simple edits without fussing around with formats.
I think this technology was not thought out very well from the performance and reliability aspects and has more to do with recovering the investment in a misconceived product development program. I say before the next release of Premiere this is Gone With The Wind
and the technology that actually will replace mini dv will be introduced but this time first for professional cameras.
this way they can create a user demand and save face by saying ok we will give this to the consumer because they want professional quality. Instead of saying ok we screwed you! What are you gonna do about it?