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Try exporting an avi first.
This can then be a Master Movie from which you can use AME or any other encoder to produce a MPEG2.
I have experienced such failures in the past when the Media Encoder struggled with something such as black frames or a timeline gap.
These days I always encode big projects from a Master and not the timeline.
Sorry to be daft, but where can I locate AME? It is an encoder?
Does the term Master Movie simply mean an AVI file which can then be re-encoded?
AME is Adobe Media Encoder (Export>Adobe Media Encoder)
avi ( Export>Movie)
Yes, Master Movie means a file (.avi) that can be Encoded.
Note : Encoding generally means exporting a movie or timeline into a format with compression eg wmv, mpeg, rm, etc...
Exporting a "Movie" is usually not so "lossey"
Thanks so much Craig, your tip sounds very logical and I will try it out right now. Much appreciated!
Try a section first eg the last 20% of your timeline.
Set a workarea bar for export to Movie
Hi, sorry how do I go about doing this without losing quality in the final MP2 file? What specs should the project be that I import the AVI files into?
Just to elaborate, when I used AME to create an MP2 file from the AVI file the quality was poor, presumably because the AVI file was low quality in the first place.
Plus the only project setting that had the correct ratio for the AVI file when I put it into the timeline was DV, not HDV. All other projects were letter boxed. I'm confused!
Yes this may be simply solved, but my knowledge in the area is very low...
First things first:
Sounds like wrong original Project Setting.
You shot HDV so you need to use an HDV Preset (Not DV)
What is the ratio you mention?
Sorry yes well when I imported and placed the AVI file into the timeline in my original HDV project, the footage was letter-boxed (or smaller), and when I encoded to MP2 using AME it remained that way in the final video file...
What am I missing?
then did you start a new dv project?
I initially imported the AVi files into an HDV project and it was being letter-boxed, so I tried it in a DV project and it wasn't letter boxed, but yes it was DV quality.
>HD footage captured from Canon XH-A1
>when I imported and placed the AVI file...
>yes it was DV quality.
That data just doesn't add up. HD from that camera will be HDV. It will not capture as an AVI nor have DV resolution unless you down converted in camera and captured it as such rather than high definition.
So if the original material was HDV you really need a HDV Preset otherwise you are taking a quality hit.
You may need to customise the Preset a little., namely the PAR, if the setting to match your footage is not there (which I doubt)
You could also use the Interpret Footage function in the HDV Preset you used (read up on this) butbasically select all the clips inthe bin, right click and >Interpret Footage. Change PAR from the options.
Sort this before coming back to your original issue. They maybe linked.
Ok shall investigate. Thanks for your help.
Let us know what Preset you think you should use and also let us know what your footage is. (Maybe it needs to be customised but unlikely)
Preset HDV108025p (for Your camera = HD: 1440 x 1080; Approx. 1.56 Megapixels)
I am assuming its 25fps from part of your original post - "25p"
The captured footage is definitely HD. I captured it that way and when i play it in VC player or media player it is great quality.
Perhaps the exported AVI files aren't DV quality but they are definitely not MPEG2. My expertise in media formats is minimal.
Either way, when I place them inside the timelines in my HDV project they are letter boxed and that is where the problem begins.
And yes, the project is 25fps 50i.
SO have you set up a new Project - Preset HDV108025p ?
brought your files into it?
I created a new project with the SAME settings and imported the AVI files into that (simply because my original project was so chock-a-block i figured an empty project would be safer for the AME).
But this project (and the original one as they have the same settings) letter boxed the AVI files when they were placed inside the timeline. In the SOURCE monitor they appeared fine. But in the PROGRAM monitor (ie timeline) they were letter boxed.
Just for the record, I am not 100% sure if the term "letter boxed" is correct for what is happening.
The PROGRAM monitor (timeline) has the visuals shrunk/condensed, and if I stretch it out to full screen in the program monitor the resolution goes crappy/pixelated (as it does if I try and export/encode it like that).
Hope this makes sense...
I still have no idea what Project Preset you used.
Forget anbout AME for the moment.
I am trying to get you to open a New Project with the correct Preset.
Then bring in one or two sample clips (avi) from your capture folder.
Then we will see why they are letterboxed or otherwise.
Sorry Craig, when you say project preset, do you mean the options when the project is initially created?
If so, it is HD 1080 25P 50i.
Correct - The Premiere Project. at HD 1080 25P 50i
Yes, so the problem is that when i import the AVI files into my HD 1080 25P 50i project timeline/program monitor, they are letterboxed. But in the source monitor they are not.
When I then try and use AME they remain letterboxed.
Apologies for the lack of clarity.
Go back a couple of posts in this thread and see how to "Interpret Footage" and see if that sorts the images in the Monitors
BTW - where did you get the avis from? Doesnt tha camera produce HDV as mpegs?
Yes I'll try the Interpret Footage tonight when I can access my computer.
I created the AVI's last night when you suggested it through "export" then "movie" in the project. When I tried to export the entire 96 minutes it crashed (what's new) so I had to cut it up into 7 pieces.
>The captured footage is definitely HD.
>I created a new project with the SAME settings and imported the AVI files into that
Once again, these two datums do not add up. HDV footage is not captured as an AVI from that camera. If you have an AVI, it's not HD. If it's HD, it's not an AVI file.
So the question remains, are they HD files, or are they AVI files? Because they can't be both. And that answer will help determine the correct procedure for you.
My own suspicion is that you have captured standard definition DV from your camera, and when placing those files into an HD preset, you see the black around the edges instead of the clips filling up the screen.
Hi Jim, at the start of this thread the initial problem was that when I tried to encode my timeline into an MPEG2 file it kept crashing.
Craig suggested exporting my timeline (export>movie) into an AVI file and then using the AVI file/s to encode into an MPEG2.
I did this last night and imported these AVI files (7 in total equalling 96 minutes) into a fresh HD project with the SAME presets as my initial project - 1080 50i 25P.
However, when I placed the AVI files into a timeline they became letterboxed.
BUT in a SOURCE monitor (ie outside a timeline) they were not.
When I used AME to encode the AVI's from a timeline into MPEG2 they were letterboxed.
I probably missed a step or did not configure something correctly, but that is why there has been mention of AVI's. They were not the original captured footage.
Forget about the avi files.
We were going back to the original Project which you incorrectly set up as a DV project from what I understand.
I wanted you to fix this first by setting up a New HDV Project and importing a couple of test files from your original capture clips to fix the letterbox issue you said you had.
We were then going to import your DV Project and that would convert it to a HD Project from where you could export to AME without letterbox and best quality.
You need to trace back through the thread and follow some of the steps and suggestions.
New HDV Preset Project
Import a couple of the original capture files (Not avi) as a test
Do they work and display correctly? ie without letterbox
Import the Entire (old) Project File nto the New Project.
Inform us what happens at this stage...and we can proceed
Hi Craig, I think there's been some confusion down the track, as my project has ALWAYS been HDV.
It is and always has been 1080 50i 25P.
That is HDV, yes?
The talk of a DV project was in relation to the AVI files I created last night. They were NOT letterboxed if I imported them into a standard DV project, while they were in my original project and any other HDV preset project for that matter.
If I import my capture files (as you suggested) into a new HDV project, I guarantee you they will work fine, ie no letterboxing.
The problem is not with the capture files. I cannot check right now but I'm pretty sure the standard format for HDV capture is MPEG, and that's what they are.
Repeat: the only thing that is letterboxing is the AVI files I created last night in my HDV project when i went "export>movie".
Does this make sense? If not, I'm not sure what I'm missing.
> The talk of a DV project was in relation to the AVI files I created last night. They were NOT letterboxed if I imported them into a standard DV project, while they were in my original project and any other HDV preset project for that matter.
>If I import my capture files (as you suggested) into a new HDV project, I guarantee you they will work fine, ie no letterboxing.
These two lines really confuse me. They seem to contradict each other. I am also not sure why you ever made a DV project (which is SD). anyway...
Issue/question still is why did the Encode fail at 80%???
Suggestion was to Export an avi and use that to encode an MPEG2 from.
If you exported an avi you should re open it in the original Project (new sequence same project) and there shoiuld not be Letterboxing or squeeze apparent. If there is we need to find out why but it maybe an "interpret footage" solution.
Craig that's exactly right, that is the problem!
The central problem still remains simply that I want to create an MPEG2 file of my project, and every time I try to do this the program crashes.
I have created the AVI files from my original HDV project as you suggested, but when I place them into a timeline of my [HDV] project there is letterboxing/squeezing.
I simply mentioned the DV project because I noticed that when I placed the AVI files into a DV project there was no letterboxing/squeezing.
>Craig suggested exporting my timeline (export>movie) into an AVI file and then using the AVI file/s to encode into an MPEG2.
OK. I'm catching up now.
It is still possible, however, that you mistakenly exported a standard definition DV AVI to run Craig's test, rather than an HD file.
Yes you're right, I possibly needed to change a setting in my project?
I simply went "export>movie" in my HDV project and it rendered and created an AVI file. Did I miss a step to ensure it was an HD AVI rather than a standard DV AVI?
I do not find that AME to be the most reliable Encoder (esp QT and mpeg) and usually do my Encoding outside of AME (eg MAinCOncept Encoder and QTPro
I am only suggesting "tricks" and workflows that have worked for me hence: create a Movie (Master avi) to Encode from.
Ok cool, that's fine.
I thought that's what I was doing (or trying to do).
I was just explaining what happened after I created the master AVI file.
>Did I miss a step to ensure it was an HD AVI
Quite possible. For me, the DV export setting is what comes up working in a DV project. I don't know if that's true for an HDV project as well, but you may have to manually change settings to get an HD file out through Export>Movie...