Does your friend want the edited material back? In that case he wants NTSC, so you need not convert to PAL. Just use a NTSC preset. But do you have a NTSC capable camera or deck for the ingest? Or is he sending you the NTSC captured material on disk?
"Does your friend want the edited material back?"
Well. I am going to make a music video of of the material he will send me. So I really don't know how to answer that question. The material will be used all over the world, both in NSTC and PAL.
"But do you have a NTSC capable camera or deck for the ingest?"
He recorded with the Sony HDR-FX1, that he rented for one day.
"Or is he sending you the NTSC captured material on disk?"
He will probably send me that thru the internet. In files.
So capturing is no problem. I would start with an NTSC project, do your editing and export to movie and then convert the movie from NTSC to PAL with Procoder. That gives you both versions.
Okay, thank you very much Harm.
So I start with a NTSC project. What are the best settings to go with, for such project?
And when I then export, I just export, or use the Adobe Media Encoder?
And by "Procoder", you mean the Adobe Media Encoder in Pro CS3, right?
Start PP, create a new project and choose one of the NTSC presets that reflect either HDV or DV, depending on what your friend has captured.
No, I mean File/Export/Movie. That will give you a DV AVI type2 file.
Procoder is a Grass Valley application that is very good in converting from one format to another. It is not cheap but the quality is very good, especially for NTSC-PAL conversions. Look here: http://desktop.thomsongrassvalley.com/products/ProCoderSW/index.php
Having used Procoder you end up with two AVI files, one NTSC and one PAL. You can then import these into Encore to burn to DVD.
You may ask your friend to buy it over there and send it to you, it may be far cheaper than at your location. As an example CS3 Master Collection is $ 2499 in the US and is $ 4900 over here.
Thank you again for your time Harm.
I will defenitely know where to look for help again when I wonder something.
Right now, it's back to the Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 Bible, the 1000 pages book...peeeew
I think I have seen some AviSynth scripts for converting between NTSC and PAL. It is free. Search these forums and you will probably find something.
If you download AviSynth and the SmoothDeinterlace plugin (both available via http://avisynth.org):
Try this for NTSC DV -> PAL DV (copy/paste in notepad, save as ntsc_pal.avs):
SmoothDeinterlace(tff=false, doublerate=true, lacethresh=24, staticthresh=40, staticavg=80, edgethresh=25, blend=false)
# the line below adjusts the framerate
# ConvertFPS(50) will accomplish this by blending frames
# to disable blending, use ChangeFPS(50) instead
SeparateFields().SelectEvery(4, 0, 3).Weave()
You can then open the .avs file in VirtualDub and export it an .AVI file. Alternatively, there is a http://urchin.earth.li/~tomford/avisynth/
"Does your friend want the edited material back? In that case he wants NTSC, so you need not convert to PAL. Just use a NTSC preset. But do you have a NTSC capable camera or deck for the ingest? Or is he sending you the NTSC captured material on disk?"
Hi again Harm.
My friend told me that he has got 3 hours of footage in HDV quality on Tapes.
So what's the easiest way of me getting these here in Europe?
- He goes to a store that helps him convert the files to PAL and put them om CD's.
- He sends me the tapes. But on the other hand, I have a Canon HV20, that supports PAL, so I can capture with it, right?
Thank you for your help.
3 hours is around 39 GB. If he sends you the tapes, your HV20 will not be able to play the NTSC tapes. If the sends you 3 tapes that have been converted to PAL, you can use your camera for ingest. That has the drawback that for the result in NTSC you need to convert again your PAL project to NTSC.
A possible solution would be to have your friend capture the NTSC tapes with HDVSplit from his camera. That gives him all the different shots he made on disk. He can then copy these files to 9 or 10 DVD's and send those to you. You can then edit in an NTSC project, export to movie and then try Dan Isaacs solution to create a PAL version from that. The advantage is that you edit original material, your NTSC version remains unconverted and you need only one conversion for PAL. Also you get the files ready for editing, so you need not rent a NTSC deck for ingest.
This is possibly the best and cheapest approach.
Thank you for the answer Harm.
Well, my friend doesn't have a camera. He rented the Sony FX-1 for one day and shot the scenes. Now he has the tapes only.
Aren't there any stores that do this in the states? I mean you know, capture to DVD's.
I wouldn't know, I'm Dutch. Your friend can rent the camera again for a single day, but he needs to capture to a hard disk. Once captured to hard disk he can copy the files to DVD. I assume there are shops that do that, but I guess it might be more cost effective just renting the camera, than having the shop do the capturing and the copying to DVD.
Today, I got the external HD with the .m2t files.
It was recorded in HDV in Sony HDR-FX1 in NSTC.
So now, when I got all these files, and going to work on them, I have some questions:
* Which project settings should I have for this?
- HDV 1080p25 or HDV 1080p30 or HDV 1080i25 (50i) or HDV 1080i30 (60i) ?
Thnakful for some help.
The m2t files are 29.97 and 1440x1080, so they are NSTC.
When I open a new project, with the HDV 1080p30, and import the files, when I look at the full size, the quality is little like a zebra..
When I open a new HDV 1080p25 project, and import the files, and look in the full size, it has a better quality.
So what to do?
Which setting should I have exactly yo obtain the best quality?
Use 1080i/30 preset, not 1080p.
Jim Simon, thank you for your answer.
I opened the 1080i/30 (60) project, and importet one of my clips, and look at this:
What's up with the quality?? All those stripes? I assumer the Sony HDR-FX1 has much better quality then that?
What you are seeing is interlaced material on a progressive monitor. To check the image quality, use an external properly calibrated monitor. This is nothing to worry about.
So, I shall open a 1080i/30 preset project, as Jim said above?
Any other tips of settings?
Yes with the default NTSC 1080i/30 presets, and edit and output to NTSC, then convert to PAL as I told you earlier in this thread.
And also, how come you don't see those stripes when I open a 1080p25 project, and render a bit, the quality is better. ?
Because half the vertical resolution was thrown out by making it progressive, thereby reducing your vertical resolution by 50%.
This was harder than I thought...
I mean the exporting.
I worked over 10 hours today on my video, in the 1080i/30 (60) settings.
Now, when the project is fine, and rendered, and when I play it, everythin looks and works good.
Now, how can I export?
I've tried two ways.
* Just exporting to .avi = the quality loss was huge
* Used the Adobe Media Encoder and used the Windows Media settings. It all looked messed up after that too!
So, please bare with me. I want to learn this properly. I'm good at editing, but exporting in HD, I've never done.
So my question: What now? How can I obtain this quality when exporting? Everything works great when I created the project, so how can I keep all that when exporting?
I want to use this both on the web (Vimeo, YouTube, Webpages), and also to DVD...
I'm just having a headache right now...
For DVD: Export using AME MPEG2-DVD elementary streams with AC3 or PCM
For Vimeo: Export using AME WMV 1280x720 square (9.2 advanced) and 128 Kb audio
For YouTube: I would not bother because of the lousy quality, otherwise use Vimeo settings.
For Webpages: use the Vimeo settings.
Look here to see how HDV can come out on Vimeo: http://www.vimeo.com/1122531
Hi again Harm, and THANK YOU so much for the answer.
"For Vimeo: Export using AME WMV 1280x720 square (9.2 advanced) and 128 Kb audio"
Encoding passes: ?
Birtrate mode: ?
Frame rate: 29.97, right?
Pxel aspect ratio: ?
Birtrate settigns ?
And the audio, you say 128 kb, but there are 5 different.
Is it the 128kbps, 44kHz, stereo CBR I should choose?
I've never exportet in NTSC, that's why the first time I need to really learn, and I'm confused.
Is that your yacht Harm?
(Business must be good)
Thank you Harm.
I succeded to export the video and it looks great!
One problem though. I'm still having that sound going up-and-down on YouTube problem. I do not know what's up with this. I upload on Dailymotion, Vimeo etc etc..it works fine!
But on YouTube, the sound goes up and down!!
Do I have some kind of virus or!?
I would suggest not using YouTube. It has lousy quality, it is riddled with spam and other commercials and navigation is a disaster. AFAIK Vimeo is about the best on-line service with very good quality, easy navigation and the best streaming rate I have seen. On Vimeo you can allow others to download your 'original' file to watch it at full resolution.
I know that Harm, but my YouTube profile is a very very known one, so I need that for my promotion.
Can I try to change for mono settings in the sound instead? If yes, will I loose lot of sound quality?
You could try, it will not deteriorate the quality of the audio as long as you keep the bitrate the same.
Strange thing. I uploaded the video on Vimeo, and it looked fine. Then I had to make some changes, just move two scenes slightely forward, so the lipsync fitted. I uploaded the video on Vimeo again, with same settings and all, and now the whole sound is slightely after the video. Why is that?