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I'd not even consider editing on a battery. You lose power, you lose your work. Even desktops and workstations should use main power and be on battery back-up.
One power source for an edit machine is just asking for grief.
Well, I'm not a hardcore pro or anything like that, so I don't need to be that paranoid about losing work so much - I'll just simply save and quit if my battery's getting low.
Now, 3470 or Intel X4500 - would 3470 provide a significant enough performance boost to make it worth it? Or can I do everything I would need with the Intel?
Also, the 7200/5400 question? Does Premiere NOT RUN if it detects a below 7200 (e.g. 5400) rpm hard drive on your system?
In general, Premiere Pro doesn't make much use of the graphics acceleration. After Effects does so to a larger degree, but even the big boys will tell you that it's not a be-all-end-all type of thing.
And for mobility, battery life is important. Perhaps save the money on the graphics and buy a 2nd battery.
Cool, yeah, I'm already getting a standard + large battery package. Merci
Can someone answer the 7200rpm/5400rpm question?
Get a laptop with at least two 7200 disks, at least a 17" screen and spend about twice you would have to spend for a more capable desktop.
5400 disks are too slow.
Getting that laptop (when portability is important) is OK for ingest with OnLocation, and nothing more than barely acceptable for editing SD. Forget about HDV, AVCHD, or better.
My suggestion is use a laptop for office work and OnLocation, use a desktop for editing.
I have a separate desktop at home, so... :D
Yes, portability and battery life are the most important for me right now.
Well, DOES Premiere Pro CS3 run with 5400rpm?!!
I'm taking a communications systems/videotech class, where I'll be using PP CS3 for sure, but I'll also have my other classes, where I need word processing, internet, etc for around 6 hours total, which is why battery life is so important to me.
In that case, get two spare batteries.
AFAIK, PPro "will" run with 5400 RPM disks, but it will probably be choppy, lagging or just unsatisfactory. Might even crash occasionally. And that's just with DV footage...God forbid you would want to use something like AE>PPro Dynamic Link, or Photoshop (forget it).
And 2 separate disks is preferable no matter desktop or laptop...if your 1) OS, 2) application and 3) media are all running off the same disk, you'll be waiting forever on renders, previews, and just about everything else. All the more so if you have a 5400 RPM drive doing all that work. Remember, that 7200 RPM is about a 30% increase, which will be noticeable with all that stuff going on. And with two separate drives, you'll have media and perhaps even your preview and media cache files over there, so they won't compete with your application and OS.
Nevermind any anti-virus, WiFi, e-mail, web or whatever stuff is working on your machine at the same time.
Another thought...many laptops are starting to offer eSATA ports. Now, you'll have to be near a power supply (eSATA disks still require their own power, unlike a lot of USB solutions available now [sidebar - those USB solutions, though handy for things like backup or the family photo album, are ALSO poor solutions for editing since they are almost always 7200 RPM and also run through the mega-slow-by-comparison USB hub]) but this route is usually cheaper for a secondary (or tertiary) disk, but the tethering is still the issue. Perhaps a possible workflow is to use this as your media drive, so that when you are editing you will need to be near power to plug in (for laptop as well), and when just surfing the web or doing office apps you have the complete wireless capability, less weight on your lap (one less hard drive on board) and less power consumption, making the battery last that much longer.
I think you can also get eSATA cards that go in the now-standard express card slots, though I don't know if this solution offers the same read/write specs that an on-board eSATA port can offer. Someone else might have firsthand experience with that question....
I hear that some 7200rpms are slower than 5400rpms (or some 5400rpms are faster than 7200rpms, however you see it). Is this true? Or is 7200rpm still the flatout best choice?
Bill Gerhke has not updated his benchmark utility to CS3, but look at his results for previous versions. These are not tests of drives per se, but they are an element.
Then click Benchmark Results and pick the PPro2 DV option. Higher numbers are poorer performance. some of those reporting had problems they were trying to sort out, so these may not be reliable indications of what you need to know.
There are 6 laptops that reported. The best was, of course, worse than about 3/4 of the desktops. But it was running a 5400 drive.
Now pick the PP2 HD. The laptops don't look very good.
I edit SD only, primarily on a desktop, but it is older and not that fast. So when I say that I also use my laptop without major problems, I don't mean that it is fast enough to make editing fun. ASUS Z71, P4 2Gig, RAM 1 Gig, single internal drive 100Gig 5400rpm.
Running Outlook, virus software, and several IE windows at the same time with Photoshop and PPro CS3 does slow it down. (Just kidding; well, that would slow it down, I just haven't tried it.)
I use it on battery - hibernation/auto standby etc do not seem to cause problems. Using previous laptops (slower/OS less stable), power issues like that were a nightmare. But when you are running on battery, most laptops will try to conserve power by slowing the processor, etc. I believe you should plan on plugging in when you are in a class where you can.
So, will it work? Probably. Is it a great idea? No.
And you guys are sure the integrated Intel X4500 should have no problems with Premiere Pro?
Make sure that the system meets the requirements for Adobe Premiere Pro CS3.
Minimum system requirements for Adobe Premiere Pro CS3: Dedicated 7,200 RPM hard drive for DV and HDV editing
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As has been stated, battery life with any laptop that one would want to edit video on, will be short. Other than fresh batteries, or an AC mains handy, it's a fact of life.
Much has been made of multiple physical HDDs. You cannot get too many, but will obviously be limited by the case.
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Mine has 3x 200GB SATA 7200RPM units w/ 4GB RAM, Intel Core2 Quad and a separate nVidia GeForce 8800M vid board. Had to do a special order to get 4GB RAM and XP-SP2, but it was no sweat.
These guys offer great service (had a multi-drive fail, and they had me a new one in a couple of days, with paid shipping both ways). So far, the unit has handled all the SD footage that I can throw at it, and runs PP, AE, AI and PS (CS2), all at the same time. I only added a FW-800 ExpressCard. Battery life is short, but then it's pushing a 17" display, and 3x HDDs. Extra batteries are a real must - or AC mains.
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Slightly off topic question, but would I get better speed/performance with Premiere Pro, as well as battery life, in Windows XP or Vista?
XP is better than Vista. Note that Intel, who has access to the source code of Windows, and thus every possibility to adjust the code to their needs, will NOT use Vista. Vista requires double the memory, six times the hard disk space and delivers a 5-15% performance penalty, as well as significant tweaking to get anywhere close to XP performance, losing it's big selling point of the visually attractive Aero environment and that stupid sidebar.
Another question - does PPro have any requirements in terms of VRAM when working with AVCHD (or any other HD format for that matter) that would prevent the X4500 from being sufficient for the job?
Premiere just doesn't use the GPU very much at all. Whatever you get won't make or break your editing experience.
Do a search of this forum for advice on AVCHD, before you spring for new gear. If you've already come up to speed on this format and the issues with PP, disregard my suggestion.
Well, there are plugins that let me work with AVCHD no?
Not plugins so much as conversion tools. Google "UpShift"
I was looking at MPEG Pro HD 3?
That ain't cheap, and user reports show some issues.