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> Thanks for the notice Adobe!
Did you even bother to research this yourself before buying CS3?
In what way is it not supported? Are you outputting to film that you need 24fps?
Show me a place were adobe mentioned it. They didn't. Works great for 2.0 and the JVC preset download doesn't mention that it doesn't work for CS3.
don't be snotty.
Most of my work is progressive video for the web and CD-ROM. I really like the look of 24.
when I open a new project, using the JVC 720 24p preset, and capture my 24p footage from my camera it shows up as 30fps in the project window. the audio is all out of sync and even if I interpret the footage its still wacked.
I can't explain the audio being out of whack, but 24P modes that record to tape actually do record at 30 fps. Is it possible this is why Premiere is reporting such?
There is a breakdown of how the GY-HD100 records to "true" 24fps below. What it basically says is that although it does shoot in 30fps it's one of the only cameras that actually records the data in 24fps.
It's different then most cameras. that's why there was a special preset made for it.
Here's the technical breakdown if you want to read it.
When shooting 24p, the JVC GY 100 outputs 48p with a 1:1:1:2 pulldown to 60p as an analog component signal.
Six frames are encoded into one GOP. Then one or two Repeat Flags are inserted between each pair of encoded frames. Through this process, six frames are converted to 15 frames six frames of which are encoded video frames and nine of which are Repeat Flags.
The pattern by which the frames are generated is a familiar one 2:3:2:3:2:3.
Each second of video is converted to four GOPs. When the Repeat Flags are included, 60 frames are generated. Therefore, the recorded timebase is 720p60, although only 24 video frames are recorded to tape. When the tape is played, for analog component output, each frame is decoded. When a Repeat Flag is encountered, the last frame is output again. If a second Repeat Flag is encountered, the last frame is output again once more.
Upon IEEE 1394 capture, NLEs can discard the Repeat Flags and store 24p video to disk. Or they can store the 720p60 to disk and then use reverse 2:3 pulldown to obtain 24p video.
Out of curiosity try the canon 24f preset. People have reported that it works with CS3 and does show 23.97 frames per second. Maybe you will get lucky with camera controls.
Also, have you tried creating a custom preset? It will let you chose the frame rate.
Maybe the JVC preset needs updating for CS3. This might be an issue it's best to call Adobe on.
Adobe tech says there isn't a JVC update yet, but i will give the canon 24 presets. Thanks for the suggestions guys.
Tried the Canon preset. It doesn't work. As with the JVC preset it was origionaly designed for 2.0 and isn't working with CS3.
there has got to be a lot of people having this problem? I've checked other forums and the only person I can find with a solution is to unlink audio from video and slow down the video to 80%. that's not cool with me. so I guess I'll just have to use my 2.0 until there is a fix.
Adobe, I'd like to make an official suggestion. post an attention on the jvc and canon preset downloads explaining that they don't work with CS3. it would prevent alot of stress and time wasting on the consumer end.
Is it surprising the Canon preset doesn't work, though? Canon uses the 1080i form of HDV with a 15 frame GOP. JVC uses the 720p form of HDV with a 6 frame GOP.
it's only with the 24p option in CS3 and as far as I know it's only a problem when you are importing JVC 720p 24fps footage. if I was shooting in 30 in would work.
I wonder if there are 24fps canon users with CS3 that are having this problem.
I too am having problems. I have tried importing a 720 24fps project into PPCS3 that was created in PP2 and its all out of sync. I captured my footage from JVC camera onto Focus ProHD DR-HD100. I also have a Matrox RTx2 card and none of their presets work for this footage either. What am I going to do now. I don't have PP2 to put back on the machine to finish job? Anybody have any ideas?
a guy half way down this page found a temporary solution. here's the link to the thread. hope it works.
I've figured out a decent solution that works.
I take my 24p hdv video into a 30p timeline. I unlink audio and video. slow video down to 80% and leave audio alone. It looks just like 24p should. after all my edits are done, I export as a 24p video and it looks just like normal.
note. if you have a talking head on the picture, be sure to drop your entire clip on the timeline before doing any edits or adjustments. it will save you a re-aligning headache.
lets hope adobe throws in some help pretty soon.
other option is stick with the working 2.0
I have another idea. Call adobe Tech support and ask them to send you a trial version of 2.0. It's the least they could do.
You can also ask around and see if anyone has a trail version of 2.0. That will get you by for 30 days. hopefully Adobe gets a fix soon.
i found trial version of PP2. hopefully adobe and matrox will get this rectified ASAP. Its weird that it was supported in PP2 and nothing here. I would of thought at least matrox would of tested footage on their systems before launching new drivers everyone was waiting on. MAYBE ADOBE CAN RESPOND HERE to give us an idea if or when this is going to be fixed. Thanks in advance.
Adobe does not respond on this forum. It is a User to User forum and that fact is spelled out adequately in many places on this forum.
oh, sorry. i don't read the whole forum. only issues i am dealing with. i guess i will call thm on monday. thanks for the heads up.
It is not necessary to read the whole forum, just the 4 words at the top of the page in a large font below the Adobe logo. It spells out User to user forums.
right. i see it doesn't say friendly user to user. i am just trying to resolve an issue not get in pissing contests thanks anyway.
I also have the JVC HD110U and have been using Cineform Aspect HD with Premiere Pro 2.0 and it works great. However when I talked to a high level Adobe rep at NAB this year he assured me that Premiere Pro CS3 would support the JVC HD110U at 24P.
Then when CS3 came out, I was really disappointed when in fact it didn't. Now I have to pay for the upgrade for Cineform, which is unfortunate because I thought CS3 would be finally a good solution.
I hope Adobe addresses this issue very soon.
>right. i see it doesn't say friendly user to user. i am just trying to resolve an issue not get in pissing contests thanks anyway.
Boy, you are new here! ;-)
Most of us are friendly, and respond only when we have something useful to add. Some others can not help making comments that not only do not address the original question, but also are snide and insulting. You know who you are.
The latter posts are never welcome, as they lower the tone of this U2U forum, create unwanted badinage, and interfere with the primary function of HELPING people.
For those of you who have not yet read the Adobe posting guidelines
I suggest you do. Especially note the "Be Nice." I also draw your attention to
It was posted originally on April 5.
The forum moderators try to delete all the off-topic, off-color and insulting posts, but are not always successful. For that I apologize.
I had to look up badinage. That was a word that I have not encountered (or don't remember encountering). Thanks - I learned something new.
Is badinage really unwanted? Dictionary.com defines it as "light, playful banter". I agree that we don't want the banter to become heavy or ugly (beyond badinage), but I personally need to have light, playful banter. :)
Keep up the good work. I don't see *any* need for you to apologize for the job you are doing!
I was using badinage with its third, less used definition frivolous banter. But I take your point. Please substitute ridicule.
He was my official response from Matrox about Adobe and the 720 24p issue.
I was able to reproduce this with our device. After having spoken with SQA, this has been entered as a bug, but we are waiting on Adobe to get it fixed first since the issue seems to be mainly on their side. I will let you know of any updates I get on this.
I will keep you posted.
what eems to be happening is the m2t files are beeing imported as 29.97 and not 23.98. adobe doesn't recognize them as the format that they are.
You think it might be an import problem instead of a JVC project settings problem? interesting. That seems like it could be a little easier to fix. I hope so.
Adobe's Response today...
Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:30:08 AM PDT
Thank you for contacting Adobe® Web Support for assistance with Adobe
Premiere Pro CS3®.
I understand that the audio is out of sync in the 720p, 24 fps footage
from your JVC® GY-HD100U camcorder. I also understand you have found
several forum posts describing the incompatibility of
Premiere Pro CS3 with 24p footage captured from JVC's ProHD camcorders
and that you would like to know if Adobe has plans to fix the issue.
Adobe is aware of the issue and is working on a fix. I am sorry to say
there have been no announcements about when the fix will be available.
As you may know, Adobe released a set of presets that enabled Premiere
Pro 2.0® to edit progressive-scan video from JVC's ProHD camcorders.
These presets -- a free download from
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3409 -- are not
compatible with Premiere Pro CS3, unfortunately.
Once the CS3-compatible JVC presets are released, you will see them on
the Premiere Pro downloads page, which is here:
Well, at least now you guys know something.
I got excited for a second. When I clicked on that link I saw that there was a CS3 update that went up today. I installed it but CS3 still imports JVC 24p as 29.97. still no fix for this problem.
If Adobe is serious about making Premiere Pro a true professional product, they need to fix bugs like this and others quickly. While I hate Avid's interface, I know that they release constant patches and updates to their editing software.
Well Adobe has released one update so far. Good start. :-)
The key is to make constant Feature Requests.
I have the same problem. Sometimes the system recognise it's a 23.97 and simetimes not. I cannot capture more then 3 minutes in 24p.
This is a "WORKAROUND" that Adobe gave me in a customer support response.
Notes to Customer
Monday, August 27, 2007 4:02:45 PM PDT
However there may be a workaround for this issue.
There is a plug-in that is responsible for a lot of the functionality of
HDV editing, this is the ImporterFastMPEG. You can remove this
particular plug-in after the capture of the
footage. Once you have captured and the plug-in is removed you can
render the footage and that should sync the footage. The only catch to
this is that the plug-in will need
to stay removed while you are editing the footage. This will make the
editing process slower in this regard and there will be some issues with
playback speed. For now this is
the workaround we can provide, but this is certainly an issue that is
being looked at intently.
I hope this information helps to resolve your issue.
If you require further assistance with this issue, please update your
web case with complete details, including what steps you have applied
and any error messages you are receiving. You may also call us at (800) 642-3623. We are available from 6:00 am
to 5:00 pm Monday - Friday, Pacific Time.
Adobe Web Support