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>The joke is that the sound would have been no better to a normal ear.
Well...there's the rub. You were asking them for professional sound, not sound good enough for the average listener. Their advice, given the question, was probably correct.
I know people look at me funny when I get up and move my speaker over 1/8" of an inch because I can hear the difference.
>Perhaps what is wrong with me is that I don't smoke enough joints to appreciate the difference ...
I think that what is wrong with you juju is that you smoke too many joints to be able to tell the difference.
So, you go the Mbox (never looked that great to me) and what else, exactly?
Also, how did it "interfere" with other preamps -- and what kind of permap did you try plugging into it?
> The audio I get is crystal clear and professional
You'll have to post a final mix so we all can hear it.
Dan, the MBOX is a piece of s... for the following reasons:
(1) It is USB based, and we all know how "professionally" stable USB is... ha ha ha.
(2) It's built in Pre-Amp is a disaster... probably because of the USB configuration. The least one could expect from a pre amp is to get its power from a real plug in the wall.
(3) The MBOX will only work with Pro Tools! This means you can't use it with anything else. Imagine how stupid it looks when the top of the line speakers you purchase for your MBox become totally useless for anything not Pro Tools related.
(4) I tried pro Tools. It is anything but user friendly. You can figure out Cubase and Magix Studio in minutes. I spent half an afternoon trying to record something in Pro Tools. Without instructions you'll never get it. Add to that the fact the interface looks cheap compared to others and you'll put Pro Tools right back in the box where it belongs.
(5) If you finally decide to bypass the cheap Mbox pre amp with a better pre amp (ANY other pre amp) you'll still have to go through the cheap Mbox pre amp which adds noise and possibly level saturation.
When I returned the Mbox to the store I saw a horrified look on the face of the salespeople. They tried every excuse in the book to not have to take it back. Fortunately I kept all the plastic bags.
In conclusion: Digidesign went for a cheap solution and that's what they got: A cheap solution!! I used to think of Pro Tools as the Rolls Royce of audio editing. After the Mbox experience I think of it as the garage sale of editing.
> I tried pro Tools. It is anything but user friendly. You can figure out Cubase and Magix Studio in minutes. I spent half an afternoon trying to record something in Pro Tools. Without instructions you'll never get it.
Nothing new here. A bicycle is more "user friendly" than a motorcycle, by your definition. But for people who learn to ride a motorcycle, getting back on a bicycle doesn't offer the same speed and distance capabilities. And gee, shucks, they had to spend all that time learning to ride a motorcycle for "half an afternoon" when they could have learned to ride a bike "in minutes."
I bet they'd agree, when riding a motorcycle instead of a bicycle, "without instructions, you'll never get it."
The Mbox isn't so great, you're right about that, but then neither is Magix Studio. You keep telling all those audio engineers that Magix is a superior product to Pro Tools...keep going, they'll buy into that sooner or later I'm sure.
>I used to think of Pro Tools as the Rolls Royce of audio editing.
My guess is that audio professionals who actually know how to use it would agree with that one. Never tried it myself, but I do hear it mentioned often in reference to professional recording studios.
> I do hear it mentioned often in reference to professional recording studios
They're all in on the scam, I guess :)
I do agree that Magix has some good sound programs. I've got versions of several, and use them in conjunction with Audition. The only rub that I have is with their "less-than-adequate" manuals and the total lack of useful posts onto their forums. That aside, for the $, or whatever, they are good programs.
Now, there are probably two major contributors to several Adobe forums, who would have/could have steered you in the right direction, had you contacted them, and told them exactly what you wanted to do:
Neil Wilkes (MOD in Encore, and seen all over the place) and Ozpeter (mainly in the Audition forum). These guys do this for a living, but they also understand the need to work within the parameters of much of video production.
Sounds like you have your HW & SW now, so you might not need their advice. Still, if you require assistance with Audio for Video, they are go-to guys.
Juju -listen to this Mbox/Protools work . IN THE HANDS OF A PROFESSIONAL FRIEND.
Press for i.e "no turning back". I saw this thread - and beeing a mbox / protools owner myself I felt a bit ....
So therefore I had a talk with Ketil - replying "... that melody is with MBox/protools" . Many more examples could be given
It is possible to make it sound ok - isn't it ?