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What have you done, how and with what results?
Hello Harm, thanks for answering.
Well we make 3d animation films and add sometimes real footage.
We stat a project always in HD format 1280 X 720, 25 fps, 16:9, square pixels. In preview windows it always seem great.
When we export to flash we go to adobe media encoder and export to quicktime h264 encoder:
quality = 100
480 X 720
Br - 2.684 (low)
-always use quick time encoding
audio 44 khz / stereo
Then we use adobe flash cs3 media enconding to transforme the very nice h264 in a not very nice flash content. it always appears with some kind of fliclering and some "teeth" in non ortogonal lines of our 3d animation.
For HD projects when we export to full hd we use WMV encoder......and the birtrate is constant to 4000.........we don't change anything else and we use two passages.
Can you help us please???
Why start with 1280x720 and export to 720x480? Why not start with 720x480 in that case?
For full HD, do you mean 1920x1080? Why 2-pass CBR and not 2-pass VBR? Why only 4000, that seems rather low.
Since presumably your 3D animations are progressive, do you use progressive or interlaced project settings and export settings?
we start in 1280 X 720 because then we avoid the flickering of 3d due to lack of antialiasing....se we calculate it always higher. Anyway sometimes we do presentations in wmv 1280 X 720.
For full HD i'll try a higher value then...
anyway to you see any reason for the "teeth" in the lines?? why that loss of quality?.
Can you post a screenshot showing those teeth?
how can i post a image?
Use a string like:
i img style="width:100%; border:0;" SRC="http://www.millcon.nl/Harm/Result.jpg"
enclosed by < and >
sounds a bit like an interlacing issue maybe?
please check on this link:
it is some frames of the movie.
Tip: Dont use premiere to encode. Export to native or lossless, then use a real encoder to produce a quality result.
Tip: Don't listen to Tonpole. Not everybody has $ 2K+ lying around for a good encoder. Just use good encode settings.
2k? lol, you can get CCE SP for $60. The only limitation versus its $1K version is that you cant do more than 2passes on a mutlipass encode. Whoopdedoo.
Oh, and the best encoders are free: ~doom9.net~
You don't necessarily need $2K+ for a good encoder: For MPEG-2 DVD, try HC Encoder -- it is free and much better than AME, IMO (requires some AviSynth skills, however). For .flv, take a look at On2 Flix. It is not free, but much less than 2 grand.
But perhaps more important than the "encoder" is proper preparation prior to encoding: This sometimes requires more sophisticated deinterlacing and scaling than Premiere can provide. In other cases, the solution is as simple as making sure the "deinterlace" checkbox is not checked when your sources are already progressive.
Some (possible) solutions:
> For flash, some lines seems flickering and there are little "teeths" on non ortogonal lines
This is perhaps because your sources are progressive but the "deinterlace" box on the Output tab of AME is checked by default.
> the same problem happens when exporting to WMV 1920 1080 full hd
... same situation as above.
> If we do export to h264 the "teeth" problem disappear
Maybe you are exporting as interlace h264 and so avoiding the unnecessary deinterlacing?
> I must say that exporting to DVD makes always our films look a little blured...
Premiere is horrible at exporting HD->SD resolution.
To help you further, I need more information:
1.) What kind of camera is it exactly, and is what format is your footage (1080/60i, 1080/25p, 720/60p, etc.) ???
2.) Are your animated sequences rendered as interlaced or progressive?
3.) What are your project settings and do they match the same resolution, framerate and field order/structure of your sources? Furthermore, do all of your various sources match in this regard?
4.) What is your target output format? I'm guessing you're working with an HD timeline and looking to export both DVD and .flv versions from it? What's the target resolution for the .flv?
do you think something as autodesk cleaner xl, or other software can help us on delivery better quality?...
wich encoders do you refer???
thanks and regards
Before we get to other encoders, I still need to figure out what's going on. Would you please answer the questions in my earlier post?
here it is:
1- sony hdr fx1e and the footage is 1080i 25fps. In our projects we always make a 1280X720 px project with 25 fps. The filming makes downsize to 1280X720 ( we never have problems with filming, it works great, the problem is the 3D)
2- the animated sequences are .tga files progressive i think. I render my animation in 25 fps, so the result is a bunch of tga files, each representing 1 of the 25 to make a second of film.
3- the project setting match everything, the only thing that have a down size (but mantaining proportions) is the filming...the 3D is rendered in 1280 X 720 too with the same frame rate.
4- We have 3 kind of output. A dvd, a flash to the Web and sometimes the wmv HD file to show on plasma, etc. Yes we work with the HD timeline and then we export to all the needs we have. I must say the DVD look aceptable/ok, the flash (we use 480X270) could be better, but the wmv are a disaster and we can't get rid of those teeth.
we will be really happy if you can help us......
if encoding outside is the solution, please tell us how and wich software to use.
I'd love to help you, but the mistmatch between the footage (1080i) and the comp (720p) is going to be an issue.
How exactly do you go about converting your 1080i footage to 720p?
Also --- do you have Cineform by any chance?
I think we don't have a mistmatch.........all our footage is proportional in size, frame rate is the same, etc, etc....
do you think something like autodesk cleaner xl is the solution?
what softwares should i use to encode the movies with a professional quality?...
please don't let this topic being forgotten....
at least an official answer from adobe. The encoders do not provide quality....what to do?.
>at least an official answer from adobe
You won't be seeing that in this User to User forum.
Sorry... I thought about this, but I'm a little bit "at a loss" to explain it without directly seeing the sources and output.
no problem, but wich encoder do the pro guys use? wich encoder is the best in the market, cleaner xl?, other?....
tell me about your experience guys,
thanks in advance