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One of the joys of using a hard disk camera. The material is not suited for editing, just for watching.
Sherri, this is common with mpeg files, I ran into it myself editing mpeg material.
A client wanted me to make changes to a few of his corporate videos. So I captured the DVDs and brought the mpeg files (renamed the VOB files to mpeg) and Premiere imported them.
I saw the red flash frame you are refering to. I eventually had to capture the DVD from my DVD player running it through my camera and in via firewire.
Thanks for the replies.
It seems to me, Howard, that you shouldn't have to go through all that when using CS3. I'm just mystified as to why such an expensive program cannot handle a simple mpg file. I was running PP2 on Windows Vista, using the files from the same cameras, and not encountering this problem. And CS3 is supposedly compatible with Vista, not PP2.
If I want to continue using CS3, it looks like I will have to convert my mpg files to AVI or some other format CS3 likes. Sigh.
"The material is not suited for editing, just for watching"
Not counting HD material, my general understanding is that Premiere is designed to work with SD material where each video frame is complete, not the type of file where 1 frame is complete, and several following frames are simply code which describe changes from the preceeding frame (ie-DV AVI Type 2 files... and not the Type 1 files produced by Windows Movie Maker, and certainly not the AVI files using the divX codec)
Read here to see Why NOT to try and edit an MPEG
Whatever Premiere does with MPG on the timeline is simply an afterthought... not a design feature (again, this is MY understanding, from reading this forum, and is not based on any inside knowledge of Adobe programming)
If you simply must edit MPG files, you might look at different products
Edit MPEG with Premiere Elements or WOMBLE or direct from DVD with Movie Edit Pro
Otherwise, do as suggested and convert the files to DV-AVI Type 2
> I'm just mystified as to why such an expensive program cannot handle a simple mpg file
Premiere is not the problem. The MPEG's are the problem, MPEG's as mentioned, are not designed for editing. MPEG's are actually more complex than AVI's, in terms of compression schemes.
Jet fuel might work in my car, but it was not designed for it.
> Jet fuel might work in my car, but it was not designed for it.
Chances are, that while in a jet it gives superb performance, it may cause your car to come to a standstill or only creeping along while damaging your engine. Same with MPEG.
OK, but that still doesn't explain why the same mpgs from the same camera(s) worked fine in Premiere Pro 2. If there's a problem with mpgs, why did I not encounter this problem in PP2?
MPEG functionality seems to be largely hit or miss. Sometimes they work brilliantly, sometimes not. That's one of the reasons we don't recommend MPEG cameras.
Sherri, try converting you mpeg files to another format, is that an option for you?
As Jim said it is a hit and miss with mpeg, if you are happy to revert back to 2.0 then perhaps that is best for now.
I do have an MPG to AVI converter, so yes, I can convert the files. But I am editing videos for a daily newspaper web site, so I am on tight deadlines. I don't have a lot of time for conversion - our projects need to be basically out of the camera, into the editing program, rendered and up on the web within minutes. One of the things about CS3 that appealed to me was its faster rendering over PP2. Unfortunately, that's a moot point if I have to re-encode my mpgs before importing them into CS3.
> Unfortunately, that's a moot point if I have to re-encode my mpgs before importing them into CS3.
It is indeed, however you are basically working with a delivery format which is not suited for editing.
Like it was said, mpeg is a hit and a miss, I have only had a problem 1 or 2 times and have been lucky since. All I did when I had the problem was trim the offending frames out, if possible and carry on working.
> rendered and up on the web within minutes
This change things a small bit. For web you do not need to retain the original quality since it will be highly compressed to fit on a web page. This means if you find a suitable convertor, you should be able to convert to AVI fairly quickly at some sort of "medium quality" preset if you know what I mean.
Try this: With CS3 you can start editing with your original camera mpeg material and get the cuts you want. In the background set your convertor to batch process your footage to AVI, keeping the same attributes like length and name for ease of use.
Now when the batch conversion is done, try using "Replace With Clip" and replace your mpeg's with your new AVI's. The converting should take about the same time for you to edit the stuff, so I think this should be fast enough to make a deadline.
Does this help?
Replace with Clip will retain all attributes for a given clip, like effects and length.
The catch is that your in & out points will change, but the upside is that your sequence is edited and does not have to be redone.
Simply open the replaced clips in the source monitor and drag the whole in/out selection by the handle and adjust it to match your initial in/out points.
I do NOT know how good a job it does, but back in my message #5 I posted a link to Premiere Elements... based on reading in this forum that it is the Adobe product better suited to editing consumer MPG files
Might be worth considering
To Sherri's point that PP2 worked fine with the HDV source files where PPCS3 displays red, I think the PP2 tended to ignore video glitches and just display them as best it could while PPCS3 puts up an obvious red frame to flag them. Curiously enough considering the trouble they went to detect and flag flawed video frames, after a video glitch PPCS3 fails to stay in sync with the audio afterwards. It is apparent that some bugs were introduced in PPCS3 that should have been caught with a little regression testing.
Welcome to CS3 Hell!
The 3.1.1 update for Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 released today contains a fix for many instances of this bug. It might fix yours.
It "fixes" the red frame, but this just makes it harder to spot the video dropouts. Even worse, the resulting audio sync problem remains. Fortunately, the workaround using PP2 to render out the clips using the media encoder and the HDV preset still works.