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I always cut first, then lay out the program. If it looks OK with only straight cuts, then I figure the edit's a keeper.
I go back and add effects/transitions after that. Then at the end I add my DVD chapter markers (if that is to be the delivery format).
We have an hour and a half long concert filmed with four different camera angles which needs to be edited together.
Our dilemma is whether to apply effects and such to the entire footage first (set up all the effects for all 4 camera angles) and then cut it all together, or should we cut all 4 camera angles together and then add the effects to all the little cut segments individually?
>then add the effects to all the little cut segments individually?
No need to do that. You can nest the sequence that contains the cuts into another sequence and apply an effect to the sequence that will affect the nested clips globally. Or you can add the effect to one clip, then copy/paste the effect to others that need the same thing.
If all you want is to color grade each camera's footage, you're probably OK grading first before editing. Just be aware that CC is processor-intensive, and having that effect on the clip before you start cutting may affect the performance of your multi-cam sequence while you edit.
My own work flow is as follows.
Rough cut the multicam with all angles and audio synced. Then go back over the sequence and adjust those (fine cuts). Then I go through and pick up the segments I'll be using (editing) and drop them into a new sequence. Next comes the audio adjustments. Finally I do the grading. 5 passes in all.
It's a lot of work, but the most efficient process I've found yet.
Lock down an edit first before applying effects , transitions etc.
This is the most efficient and time effective way to edit. If you think about it, why put effects on shots that you may never use.
Of course what Jeff says about processor intensive issues will apply and slow you down.
Hopefully, your cameras were all adjusted and do not need color correction to fix problems. But such problems are not uncommon.
If you believe that a particular camera will need all its footage adjusted, you can apply this to the full clip in the multicam source sequence. But go back and do that after you have edited all the rest. Or just turn off the effect till later.
My belief has been that it will then only render the parts that are used in the final sequence you are exporting.
But in other (most) situations, you are not going to apply exactly the same color correction to that entire camera, particularly when the content involves theatrical lighting. And it is not that difficult, for clips that get the same effect treatment, to copy/paste the effect to other clips in an intermediate or final sequence.
I am not referring to color enhancement/tuning of an entire program, which is applied to the final sequence.
Thank you for your responses!
We have started testing things with a 5 minute excerpt from our 1 1/2 hour footage. We applied color adjusts (Three Way Color Correction to one camera angle, Fast Color Correction to another one, Auto Color Adjust and Auto Contrast Adjust to all) to our 3 camera angles. We had to apply different adjusts to each of the camera angles.
We have rendered our sequence with all 3 camera angles in it, then I created a new sequence, nested our sequence 1 into the new one titled multi cam edit and enabled multi cam. We have also rendered the multi cam edit sequence. However, when we opened the multi cam monitor to rough edit our footage together, it was so extremely choppy that we could not work with it. Why is this happening when we have rendered both sequences that are open? Can it be because of the effects are already on it?
We are defraging our comp right now, just for the sake of being sure that that's not the problem.
You were warned and chose to ignore it...
>Just be aware that CC is processor-intensive, and having that effect on the clip before you start cutting may affect the performance of your multi-cam sequence while you edit.
... so you have also wasted time that you were also warned about.
>why put effects on shots that you may never use.
Experience is something you get ...just after you need it.
Oh I know, I understand. :) We didn't ignore the advice. :)
I must admit, I have forgotten about my submitted question here, and I just remembered to check for answers. While today we have done all our little tests and realized this thing about multi cam editing.
Sorry about that, but I forget things. :)
In any case, thanks for all your advices here, they certainly explain us more options we didn't know existed. :)
So experiment further: don't delete the color effect, but turn off the color correction for each of the tracks. Multicam should work fine. Edit the multicam (you're still using the short test clips, right?) Now turn back on the color effects in the premulticam clips, go to the multicam output sequence, and render there. Does it work?
Thank you for the link to the tutorials Eddie! :)
Stanley, that will exactly be our next step. ^_^
Does it matter that we use subclips instead of straight excerpts from the long video footage? I mean, would that cause slowing of the program at all? We have saved our little 5 minute sequence as a subclip, 1 for each camera angles.
We were just wondering if it's best not to use subclips or it doesn't matter really?
There was some history of problems with subclips from long captures, but seems like that was solved. I rarely use subclips and don't recall.
FYI, whether or not, and how, to use subclips is an important issue to get feedback on your workflow. I have generally not seen the point in using them, but I tend to split clips during capture even if there was no start/stop.
I do not think the subclip would create the problem.
I would not, however, have created a subclip; I would just put the whole clip on the line and adjust the outpoint for the test. In your case, I would try it both ways. If there are problems with the subclip method, I don't think they will show up until your are dealing with quantity.
Good call on toggeling off the CC Effects. That will save the work already done, but not penalize the system, during editing. Just don't forget to turn them back on, before you Export.
As for Sub-Clips, they would bring CS2 to a crawl. I've seen some with CS3 having similar issues. Have not gotten any info on CS4 though. The performance hit was the deal-breaker for me. I just used your workflow, as Sub-Clips offered me nothing really. Any organizational plus was more than offset by lack of performance/responsiveness.