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You kind of lost me in the volume of stuff but whatever...I got the gist I think.
Because its open and next to me at the moment PPro CS2 ( I know this works on my CS3 setup as well)
I have a PAL DV Project open and running on 2x PC monitors and output via F/w to an external monitor. DSR11 DV/DVCAM Deck
All monitors, records and plays back how it should.
Realtime Playback settings:
Desktop Video = checked
External Device = DV25 (720x576)
External Device = DV25 (720x576)
Hope this helps?
>when in the DV NTSC editing mode, I can't get full screen video to the monitor 3.
That's quite alright. You shouldn't be using a computer monitor for DV monitoring anyway. Use only an NTSC monitor, you know...a TV. Pass the signal out via Firewire and from there use analog connections to a real TV. Then no switching of editing modes, and correct NTSC monitoring.
>So what I'm at a loss to understand is why we can't just switch between the two modes directly
That used to be possible in versions of Premiere before it went Pro. Caused more problems than it solved.
While I could Firewire to my deck full-time, but that causes two other problems:
1) Many of the projects we do are HD, and the deck is SD.
2) Would rather shut off the noisy deck.
In our case, the monitor we're using is a consumer HD LCD TV, which happens to have a VGA input. As this is the way many people now view TV, it qualifies as a real TV (similar size at 32 inches, same color gamut, same aspect ratio).
In the case of 1), a computer monitor is probably fine because the specs are much closer. But for NTSC, an Interlaced CRT really is the proper way to monitor. You just can't get a correct SD presentation out of an LCD set - partly because of the resolution scaling, partly because it's not interlaced, and partly because it's LCD and the technology just isn't as good as CRT.
Pat - maybe time to forget some old paradigms. (ie. Change your screen set ups to meet the brave new world of HD digital video)
I have various ways to display playback to clients.
[Side note: I will admit some of them have been forced upon me by lack of CS4 drivers for Intensity Pro Cards but some I am willing to adopt as well for convenience. Some have been forced on me by playback issues in CS4 that were not issues in CS2/3.]
>One of them is the "tilde" key thing. Can be very cool and convenient but requires resetting to 100%.
>Another is playback to Monitor #2. Great option not requiring reset of screen dimension.
> Another is playback via a f/w device.
>Intensity Pro Card is other option . (Waiting on confirmation that new drivers are problem free.
I still have CRT monitor in my CS2 suite but the others have HD LCDs as well as good quality PC Monitors.
I do not know anyone using a CRT at home so I make CC/Level and grading decisions based on a combination of what I have got in the suites. LCD and digital video is a very limiting so it is best judged on top quality LCD screens. Forget CRT unfortunately and no one makes CRT Reference monitors anymore. (Willing to debate this with you Jim)
Well, let's not worry about what makes better NTSC SD pictures. What really is the issue is whether or not (and why not or how) Premiere can switch modes so as to allow a third VGA output to show full-screen video OR send 720x480 video via Firewire to a deck.
The system can do both, but just can't switch once the initial choice has been made. So it isn't so much that it *can't* be done, but rather it just *isn't* being allowed (to switch).
So I'm wondering: perhaps there is a way.
And yes, there is, but it requires importing a project into a second project which happens to have the desired "other" setting. This is no doubt an awkward work-around. Which is why I'm here. Now, this edit suite used to have a *good* CRT monitor in it. Any advantage in video quality just isn't that much of a sell. And we're trying to push as much production to HD, in which case the monitor is useless. Also, any video solution which requires us to leave the deck on (in order to go from Firewire to video) is a bad solution, as the deck is noisy, and some point (hopefully soon), we'll eliminate the tape deck from the workflow (and rely on XDCAM HD instead). Yes, I could loop through the XDCAM deck, but again, it is noisy too.
On the issue of CRT vs LCD: for consumers, some manufacturers have stopped making and selling CRTs. People are adopting flat panel displays, either Plasma or LCD. Maybe the LCD doesn't look the same as a CRT, but if the target audience is going to be viewing on LCD anyhow, shouldn't we be looking at the picture in the same way they are? Yes, we should.
Again, all we really want to do -- and Adobe, I hope you're listening -- is be able to switch external devices on-the-fly. How do we do that?
> What really is the issue is whether or not (and why not or how) Premiere can switch modes so as to allow a third VGA output to show full-screen video OR send 720x480 video via Firewire to a deck.
Well that's what I'm suggesting. If you set up for correct NTSC monitoring, you won't have that issue.
>rather it just *isn't* being allowed (to switch).
That is correct, and by design.
>if the target audience is going to be viewing on LCD anyhow, shouldn't we be looking at the picture in the same way they are? Yes, we should.
No, you shouldn't. At the production end of things, you should be looking at the video in the most accurate way possible. For NTSC, that means interlaced CRT. You'll drive yourself nuts trying to "adjust" to end users' setups, as there are an infinite variety of possibilities.
>And we're trying to push as much production to HD
During the switchover, you'd do best to have both monitoring options available, depending on the project.
Pat . It appears you are prepared to invest a litle so consider a Card from Black Magic. These can meet Input and Out put functions (They are totally silent by the way.)
You could also "Up your game" to CS4 where one project can have multiple timelines all with different settings. eg HD and SD timelines in same project.
>But you don't even need to go that far. Something like this will give you better NTSC playback than any LCD.
I cant take you seriously Jim. (Would love to see a rack of those together.)