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>And yes, Im a general consumer, not a video professional, but one of the highly targeted audiences Adobe believes should be using this product for home use.
If Adobe truly believed that, then they would never have invested the resources to create Adobe Premiere Elements.
> agree Mpeg2 has many limitations, but Mpeg2 is a widely used and dominant standard in the consumer market.
> or cheaper editing software such as Roxio, my videos play/edit just fine.
Then use a consumer Editor like Elements, its' (and cheaper programs) mpeg capabilities are great.
In general editing MPEG in PPRO is a hit and miss for some people, for me I have only had a problem once with MPEG, and have been fine ever since.
Jim you fail to take into account that there are literally hundreds of programs and camera's that record mpeg material, and therefore many different variations, and there is only 1 Premiere.
Again you need to understand MPEG is a delivery format not meant for editing. The reason it is on consumer cameras is because they (manufacturers) are trying to remove the editing stage and make it easier for people wanting to view the footage right away.
> I guess Premiere is not as premiere as the Adobe marketing suggests.
It is! It edits DV, and the mpeg from an HDV camera works fine.
This is a user to user forum, what exactly is your question?
Your whole rant, if it was intended as such, boils down to a couple of things:
1. You are a consumer.
2. You bought a
3. You did not do your homework.
4. You got lured in to buy a consumer camera not suitable for editing by a salesperson who probably does not know how to spell the word
5. You take it out on Adobe while they have perfectly capable software for your situation. Elements comes to mind.
6. You can return the software and try to get a refund.
About the worst thing that could happen is when Adobe starts to support these esoteric formats instead of providing support for more professional formats like DVCPro-HD or XDCAM-HD.
>Mpeg2 is a widely used and dominant standard in the consumer market.
And Premiere Elements is the widely used program to edit such consumer video.
I think the fact most of you are missing is that Premiere Pro, being a professional version, should by definition include all features and formats that a stripped-down consumer version of the program has.
Yes, you can get a better camera. However, that does not solve the problem of footage that is provided to your organization by third parties. I'm speaking specifically of organizations like mine which is a news company and must be able to process submitted footage and content provided by the public. You aren't going to get footage from Joe Q. Public that was shot on a $10,000+ HDV camera; you're going to get the $500 mpeg2 camera footage.
Lets be realistic. If my company shells out $1500 for the Production Premium package, I should expect to get all the features in Elements and more.
The consumer vs. pro argument is nothing more than a cop-out.
>Premiere Pro, being a professional version, should by definition include
While YOU may think that... it is obvious that Adobe does not agree
Adobe has one product for one type of file... and a different product for another type of file
If you want to edit a consumer file type... you need to use Adobe's consumer product
What anyone thinks SHOULD be included in Pro does not mean that it WILL be included
You call it a "cop-out" but it seems clear that Adobe calls it marketing... different products for different users
Since you say you get consumer type files... buy a consumer program to edit
As this is a user to user forum, you will need to contact Adobe directly if you want to try and persuade them to change their programming practices
Just a Thought why not get a Dvd player that has a firewire output then you can take dvd's into pp. Or get a external converter. Then you do not have to worry about this issue.
give in folks.. and admit that OP points to a very relevant point.
In my opinion there is namely a clear discripancy between adobes promoted "Comprehensive video-format compatibility" compared to the actual performance (mpeg2).
No misunderstandings here please. I'm satisfied with PP cs3 but then again I knew what I bought. To make theese descions for a newbee can be hard and I clearly understand hus frustrations.
But you are talking to people who would like to grip with people, not help people out.Or if anybody talks bad about CS3, watch out. They forget pp started out as a consumer editting software and in someways still is.
>I think the fact most of you are missing is that Premiere Pro, being a professional version, should by definition include all features and formats that a stripped-down consumer version of the program has.
That's an opinion that a lot of professionals just do not share. There are often reasons to keep the consumer level stuff out of the pro version of things.
FWIW, I have no problem whatsoever with editing mpeg files on CS3's timeline. In some ways, it works faster than even MainConcept's MPEGPro plug-in.
The only advantage that MPEGPro has for me anymore is smart rendering. Admittedly, that can be a big advantage.
I also own a license to Womble's MPEG Video Wizard because there are some mpeg files that neither Premiere Pro nor the MPEGPro plug-in can handle properly. And I have found some mpeg files that even Womble doesn't handle correctly.
As far as I'm concerned, it's all about the source. Ever hear of GIGO? :)