12 Replies Latest reply on Mar 20, 2009 1:02 PM by shooternz

    Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend

    shooternz Level 6
      Windows Media Encoder Series 9

      I have never seen it mentioned here and its a new "find" for me, so I wondered if anyone uses the Windows Media Encoder instead of the Adobe Media Encoder to create wmv content.

      http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5691ba02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cd f24&displaylang=en

      This is a seriously good bit of kit that suits my workflow very well.
      ie. I always have a Master or Intermediate file (uncompressed avi) and all my clients are well geared for wmv. In fact even the MAC clients are more receptive to wmv for preview, approval or file copies.

      I am still learning to work this standalone application but the quality is awesome and it is extremely fast.

      Did I mention it is free.
        • 1. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
          Eddie Lotter Level 4

          I have recommended the stand-alone WME many times in these forums in the past. I also added a link to it in the PPro Wiki section on Windows Media.

          It has a lot more options than are available through AME.


          Cheers
          Eddie

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          • 2. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
            shooternz Level 6
            You have always been ahead of the game Eddie.

            (Wonder why more people dont listen to you more...)

            :-)

            At least I have caught up for now.
            • 3. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
              Eddie Lotter Level 4

              Most of my output is for my MCE based home theatre. WMV gives me high definion video with surround sound. I'm a happy camper. :)


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              • 4. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
                TradeWind Level 3
                Used WME for years, very good tool. At the old studio where I used to work, we developed a set of MBR parameters to drive our streaming video product. Much simpler and more effective than creating multiple individual streams and asking people to pick one.

                PPro offers more tweaking of WMV files now than it used to, but it's still not close to what you can do in WME.

                Good stuff.
                • 5. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
                  Thrill Media Level 2
                  WME is all I have used for wmv files. However in the last year or so I have pretty much moved to Flash for client web delivery. To me, it starts playing faster, looks better for the file size and has better compatibility. I had the opposite reaction from my Mac based clients which were frustrated by wmv files.

                  WME is a great encoder though and free from MS, wow! :)
                  • 6. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
                    don solomon Level 1
                    I'll take it on faith that it is a good encoder, given the accolades here for it :)

                    Two questions: has anyone compared it to Procoder 3 output? Does it run on Vista 64?

                    I usually convert to multiple targets in Procoder (saves much time), and have had good results with its WMV output, so it makes no sense to use a standalone in my workflow when I can do all my conversions simultaneously in the background with a single app. But if Media Encoder 9 has better output than procoder, then it might be worth my time to use it.
                    • 7. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
                      Orytek Level 1
                      So what is being said is that the workflow begins with a Premiere project exported to a Intermediate file? Then that file is imported by WME and encoded to the destination format?

                      If so, what is the suggested output setting from Premiere or AME?
                      • 8. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
                        Bill Heslip Level 1
                        What would be nice is something akin to how Quicktime handles this, orytek. QT's "export by reference" quickly creates a small pointer file to the original media, negating the need for an intermediate file (of which we don't have any good options anyway). This is what I most miss about editing on a Mac. Any reason why avi's can't have this capability, or why Premiere doesn't offer a decent intermediate codec for such uses? The only good options I'm aware of create HUGE files.
                        • 9. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
                          Bill Seper Level 1
                          If you don't need the hi-def output option, I think Windows Movie Maker is much easier to use; however, it always deinterlaces, which you may or may not like, whereas WME only deinterlaces if you click on that option.

                          I've been experimenting lately with taking standard def material shot in stretched pixel wide-screen and using WME to upconvert to hi-def 1280x720 and then uploading to YouTube for their hi-def option. It looks pretty much like the true hi-def everybody else has been uploading considering that what YouTube calls hi-def is still fairly compressed compared to TV hi-def.
                          • 10. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
                            Bill Seper Level 1
                            Oh, I should probably mention that while WME does a good job upconverting from SD to HD, it takes forever. My machine's a little older, but it's still a 2G system with 2G of RAM, and it takes about 5-minutes to upconvert 15-seconds of video.
                            • 11. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
                              Eddie Lotter Level 4
                              >what is the suggested output setting from Premiere or AME?

                              Uncompressed or use a lossless codec to avoid generational artifacts.


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                              Eddie

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                              • 12. Re: Windows Media Encoder...my new best friend
                                shooternz Level 6
                                The reason an intermediate workflow suits me is that I always produce an uncompressed (HQ) Master of a project (for Broadcast) anyway.

                                When a client wants a copy (wmv , qt,mpeg etc) it is quicker to load a standalone application (instead of PremPro) and to produce it with the intermediate or Master. Of course if I needed to batch encode , I would use AME standalone.

                                Currently most of my work is done in PPro CS3 (because of CS4 edit and playback issues) so the convenience of the standalone encoders is even more apparent.

                                Standalone Encoders in my tool kit:
                                QT Pro
                                Windows Media Encoder
                                MainConceptmpeg Encoder
                                DVCProHD Encoder
                                CS4 AME
                                others...