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    Remove Razor Cut

    pebalsamo Level 2
      Is there anyway to go back into a sequence and remove a razor cut?

      Thanks
      Phil
        • 1. Re: Remove Razor Cut
          Harm Millaard Level 7
          Try UNDO.
          • 2. Re: Remove Razor Cut
            pebalsamo Level 2
            This would be after it has been there awhile. I think that most of us understand that if we put one in and decide it is in the wrong spot we know to hit UNDO... Thanks for the help though.

            To be more specific I have my main video track on V1 and then the cutaway camera on V2. I just scrubbed through the video and put a bunch of cuts in V2 where I wanted to use the cutaway. After I made about 10 cuts I realized that one of them near the front I did not mean to do. Now I realize that I could just leave it there and the video play just fine over the top of it, but I just want to alleviate any confusion when I go back to remove all the the clips that I do not want in V2. No big deal if there is only a handful of cuts to remember to leave that one there, but I know that i am somewhat forgetful and I will not remember where that cut is until after I have removed a bunch of stuff and realize that something is screwy with my video.

            Any suggestions Besides UNDO...

            Thanks
            Phil
            • 3. Re: Remove Razor Cut
              Colin Brougham Level 6
              Phil,

              Harm's suggestion works if you've immediately or not too long after changed your mind. However, if it was a while back since you add the edit, undo won't fix the problem.

              Unfortunately, PPro lacks this direct ability at this time. The workaround is to select the clip immediately before or immediately after the edit, delete it, and then drag the head or tail of the remaining clip to fill in the gap. You'll have to replace any transitions that existed on the clip you deleted.

              Adding a "remove edit" command would be a great feature request...
              • 4. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                pebalsamo Level 2
                Thanks Colin. I just figured I was missing something. I could do it with Avid so I just assumed I could do it with PPro. Good idea with just deleting the clip and then just dragging.

                Hopefully future versions will have a way of doing this...

                Thanks
                Phil
                • 5. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                  Colin Brougham Level 6
                  Glad this worked for you. Be sure to ask for enhanced functionality in this regard, like I have...
                  • 6. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                    Harm Millaard Level 7
                    It all depends on how your preferences are set. If you have 99 undo levels set, going back to your history may be sufficient to resolve the issue. If it is more, then Colin's suggestion may come in handy.
                    • 7. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                      pebalsamo Level 2
                      Submited the request...

                      Thanks again...

                      Phil
                      • 8. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                        Curt Wrigley Level 4
                        Another thing you can do is select the two clips, right click and Nest.

                        Or; select the two clips and right click and choose Group if you just want them to stay connected.
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                        • 9. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                          Jim_Simon Level 8
                          I thought grouping worked on vertically selected clips, such as video and audio. Will it work with video clips selected linearly?
                          • 10. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                            Curt Wrigley Level 4
                            > I thought grouping worked on vertically selected clips, such as video and audio. Will it work with video clips selected linearly?

                            Yes.

                            You may be thinking of Linking
                            • 11. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                              Colin Brougham Level 6
                              Jim,

                              Yes, it works for items on the same track (ie. V1) or items on different track (V1 and V2). You can also group non-contiguous items, if you're so inclined. For instance, you could have Clip A, Clip B, and Clip C all on V1, and group just A and C. They could also be on multiple tracks, separated by time, as well. Kind of a nifty feature.
                              • 12. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                Jim_Simon Level 8
                                Yep...Linking.
                                • 13. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                  pebalsamo Level 2
                                  Thanks, I like the nesting idea. I did not know that you could nest that way...

                                  I did not think you would be able to group on the same line either.

                                  More good info...

                                  Thanks
                                  Phil
                                  • 14. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                    Curt Wrigley Level 4
                                    You can even nest discontiguous clips. The nest just inserts transparency where there are spaces between selected clips.

                                    But when you do that you have to start paying attention. :)

                                    After nesting; check the project panel for the a seq of the original clips. Its interesting feature.
                                    • 15. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                      pebalsamo Level 2
                                      thanks, I will have to check that out...

                                      Phil
                                      • 16. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                        DMH79 Level 2

                                        Three years later and still no way to "one-click reconnect" an accidental razor edit?!

                                         

                                        Oh and yes, this is not when you JUST used the razor tool (for which you can of course just undo) but if the cut was made a while back and I don't want to undo all my other edits. And I know I can just delete one clip and drag...but I still can't IDENTIFY easily where this mistaken razor cut is located. It'd be nice to identify where an accidental razor edit was made like in FCP. If a clip is cut with a razor and no further edit is made then nothing happens but it would be nice (for multicam edits specifically) that if its done accidentally, I could easily identify WHERE a razor cut is that does NOT result in a change of clips/angles.

                                         

                                        FCP identifies this by having two small red arrows pointing inward on each clip signaling that the two clips are the same continuous clip and then if I right-click on the razor cut I can re-join the clip and the razor cut disappears. Much easier and more helpful. Feature request submitted today HERE. Just hope this isn't overlooked for another 3 years.

                                        • 17. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                          the_wine_snob Level 9

                                          Well, actually there IS a way to correct that Razor Cut.

                                           

                                          You have a Clip, and then Cut it, so that you have two sub-clips (note: there is an official element, called Sub-Clips, so do not confuse them). You wish to close that Cut (basically healing it). Just Select that second sub-clip, and Delete it. Click on the Tail of the first sub-clips, and drag it to the point, where the Tail of the second sub-clip (the one that we Deleted) was. Done.

                                           

                                          Good luck,

                                           

                                          Hunt

                                           

                                          PS - other than maybe some minor inconvenience when, say moving Clips that have been Cut, that Cut is really meaningless, as PrPro will just reference the Source Clip, and do nothing where that Cut exists, when outputting.

                                          • 18. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                            DMH79 Level 2

                                            Hi Hunt!

                                             

                                            Thanks for the response. As I mentioned before I do know that I can simply delete and drag. I also know that it does nothing when outputting, etc. BUT, deleting and dragging eliminates any transition tied to the END of the clip (if its the 2nd sub clip as you stated). So now I have to delete, drag, then reapply the transition. 3 steps instead of one.  FCP had it right here allowing me to easily identify the "meaningless" cut, and then simply right click and "re-join" the 2 subclips. Done. Faster. More efficient. Better.

                                             

                                            The issue with the cut being meaningless is true BUT it helps to have what FCP has (with the 2 little red arrows showing that the clips can be re-joined) in case I made a mistake in my multicam edit and meant to select another clip there or whatever and now I can quickly go back and check when I'm all done. I know there are several steps at getting around this little inconvenience, but why not borrow a good idea when you see one from FCP (who is losing many of its former users right now to CS6 since they went in a different direction with FCPX) so that there is no inconvenience AT ALL.

                                             

                                            That's why I submitted this feature request. Here's to hoping Adobe listens.

                                            • 19. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                              Zooropa75 Level 1

                                              I agree. I miss the little red arrows in FCP.

                                              • 20. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                Unfortunately, that is about the extent of methods to remove the Cuts.

                                                 

                                                Sorry, that it was not useful.

                                                 

                                                Hunt

                                                • 21. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                  John Link Level 1

                                                  Obviously Adobe ought to copy FCP on this one. How long will we have to wait?

                                                  • 22. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                    Some FCP users have suggested the "Heal Function."

                                                     

                                                    I am sure that there are some cases, where that would be a worthwhile feature, but if one considers what such a Cut actually is, then some of those desires would possibly fall by the way-side.

                                                     

                                                    Still, I would not be opposed, in any way, to a "Heal." I see no downside, other than the time that Adobe engineers would need to spend of adding it.

                                                     

                                                    Hunt

                                                    • 23. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                      Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                      I see no downside, other than the time that Adobe engineers would need to spend of adding it.

                                                       

                                                      Given the current method works just fine, that's not an insignificant downside.

                                                      • 24. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                        DMH79 Level 2

                                                        Jim Simon wrote:

                                                         

                                                        I see no downside, other than the time that Adobe engineers would need to spend of adding it.

                                                         

                                                        Given the current method works just fine, that's not an insignificant downside.

                                                         

                                                        Disagree. Complacency breeds failure. Fortunately, with all due respect, you're not one of the engineers. Does it work? Well, yeah, sort of in a roundabout way. Can it be better and more efficient...absolutely.

                                                        • 25. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                          Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                          Complacency breeds failure.

                                                           

                                                          Leaving that philosophical discussion for another forum, I'm not suggesting complacency.  I'm only arguing in favor or spending limited resources on other things.  If enough folks agree with you, you'll likely get the feature.  If not, we may see something really new show up, instead of just a different way of doing something we can already do.

                                                          • 26. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                            PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                            Well said DMH79!

                                                             

                                                            Complacency breeds failure.

                                                             

                                                            Phil, I just read this thread and I'm astonished at some of the suggestions implied.  Set your number of undo's to 99 (so you can lose 98 edit you wanted just so you can remove an unwanted cut)???  BTW, PP CS6 is limited to 32 undos, so you can't go back 99 steps as suggested.

                                                             

                                                            I suggest you add your voice to the collective scream and send an official Feature Request to Adobe.  I bet they've received hundreds of identical FRs for a 'Join Through-Edit' function from ex-FCP users (that's what it's called in FCP), yet lets keep bugging them until they finally see the light of day that just because frustratingly slow alternatives exist doesn't mean we don't deserve a better tool.  BTW, I suggest you don't nest two pieces of a clip to make it 'whole' again.  That's a very bad suggestion since should you want to trim your nest outwards, you won't be able to do so without the aggravating complication of entering the nest and trimming out your clip there first.  Plus it throws any effects on the clip pieces into the nest, making it a pain to tweak them unless you cut the effects from the clip pieces in the nest and paste them back on the nest itself.  Way too much work to be helpful in many cases. 

                                                             

                                                            Hopefully Apple doesn't have a patent on 'Join Through-Edit' tools that impedes other companies from using the idea.  If that's the case, I guess we'll never see it in Premiere (after all, Apple patents everything, including rounded square icons on a cell phone. )

                                                             

                                                            Now what I really don't understand, is why FCP7 had this fantastic feature, yet Apple seems to have abandoned it in FCPX.  Baffling to say the least!

                                                            • 27. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                              Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                              Set your number of undo's to 99

                                                               

                                                              Now THAT would be a worthwhile improvement to PP.

                                                              • 28. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                                Agreed.  It would be an improvement indeed.  So would a FCP7-style 'join through-edit'.  Between the two, I'd pick the latter though.  I rarely have the need to undo more than 32 times compared to how often I wish I could remove an unnecessary cut from a clip.

                                                                • 29. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                  Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                                  I'm kind of curious why former FCP editors make so many mistakes in your cuts that you need to undo them so frequently.

                                                                  • 30. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                    Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                                    PierreLouisBeranek wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    Agreed.  It would be an improvement indeed.  So would a FCP7-style 'join through-edit'. 

                                                                    Me too. Create a feature request: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

                                                                    • 31. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                      John Link Level 1

                                                                      It's not that I make a mistake in the cut, but I may want to try a cut and then change my mind.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                        Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                                        Jim Simon wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        I'm kind of curious why former FCP editors make so many mistakes in your cuts that you need to undo them so frequently.

                                                                        In my opionin, there are really only two reasons editors want to remove through edits; to neaten up the Timeline or if they have to export an EDL where through edits are not supported.

                                                                         

                                                                        A lot of self-trained FCP editors are a bit too happy with the razor blade, using it as their primary way to trim. It's as if the Ripple Trim tool never existed. As a former Apple Certified Trainer, I had to break a lot of bad habits.

                                                                        • 33. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                          PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                                          Hi Kevin,

                                                                           

                                                                          I already did a while back.  Question: Is posting the same FR more than once helpful?

                                                                           

                                                                          Jim, implying that former FCP editors 'make so many mistakes' is ridiculous.  As John pointed out, it's more often than not a change of mind with an edit, not a mistake.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                            Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                                            PierreLouisBeranek wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            Well said DMH79!

                                                                             

                                                                            I bet they've received hundreds of identical FRs for a 'Join Through-Edit' function from ex-FCP users (that's what it's called in FCP). 

                                                                            Yes, yes we have. Add your voice: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

                                                                            There is power in numbers.

                                                                            • 35. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                              Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                                              PierreLouisBeranek wrote:

                                                                               

                                                                              Hi Kevin,

                                                                               

                                                                              I already did a while back.  Question: Is posting the same FR more than once helpful?

                                                                               

                                                                              Jim, implying that former FCP editors 'make so many mistakes' is ridiculous.  As John pointed out, it's more often than not a change of mind with an edit, not a mistake.

                                                                              No need to make more than one request. Even though you can do something doesn't mean ya should.

                                                                              Helping others to jump on the bandwagon is totally fine, though.

                                                                               

                                                                              There are a million ways to work with FCP. Because it was so popular, a lot of people actually did make a lot of mistakes using it. Without formal training, people had a tendency to stay with what worked for them, taking several steps when only 2 were necessary. Things like that. As a major contributor to that community over the years, this I can attest to. That said, I've seen some pretty killer FCP editors chop edits together like nobody's business.

                                                                              • 36. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                                John Link Level 1

                                                                                Kevin Monahan wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                PierreLouisBeranek wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                Well said DMH79!

                                                                                 

                                                                                I bet they've received hundreds of identical FRs for a 'Join Through-Edit' function from ex-FCP users (that's what it's called in FCP). 

                                                                                Yes, yes we have. Add your voice: http://www.adobe.com/go/voice

                                                                                There is power in numbers.

                                                                                That link doesn't work. What is the correct URL?

                                                                                • 37. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                                                  I got the same Error on Page. Try this link: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Hunt

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                                    John Link Level 1

                                                                                    Bill Hunt wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I got the same Error on Page. Try this link: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Hunt

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Thank you. That works and made a request for the ability to heal a cut just like in Final Cut.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Remove Razor Cut
                                                                                      the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                                                      Most welcome, and hope that Adobe is listening. Actually, they are.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Hunt

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