20 Replies Latest reply on Oct 28, 2009 6:40 AM by TheShamsMan

Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

(shonabby612) Nov 13, 2008 10:14 AM

AVCHD, MTS files on my CS4 Premiere Pro. In the program monitor, when I am trying to make tight edits and add effects in specific spots, the video is stuttering as if I haven't enough power.
I just got a dell XPS 730, INTEL Core2 processor 2.83, 1333 FSB, quad core 12 MB of cache, Dual NVidia GeForce 9800GT Scalable Link Interface video cards, 4GB of DDR3 SDRAM at 1333 MHz. The hard drive is a SATA 2 at 7200 RPM.

When I render the video, it plays okay, but I have enough power to watch it smoothly on the program monitor as I edit. What is the problem?

A few years ago I had a very small computer and Premiere 7.0 and I had no problems.
I called tech support and they were clueless. They sent me from India (2 levels) to the States, a 3rd level.

I need smooth video BEFORE I render. What can I do??
P.S. The video (.MTS) plays fine on Windows Media Player.

I have Vista Ultimate.

1. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

Harm Millaard Nov 13, 2008 11:49 AM (in response to (shonabby612))

Add at least 3 drives, 2 of which in raid0, avoid AVCHD or get a dual quad system.
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2. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

(miklar) Nov 13, 2008 12:23 PM (in response to (shonabby612))

I don't think multiple drives solves problem. I have a machine with 2 raptor drives, one for the system and the other for caching, plus 4 drives configured as Raid 5 (ok I know the difference between that and raid 0). Further, the operating system is Vista x64, with a quad cpu and 8 Gb of ram.
Still I am experiencing the same issue Shonabby has. However, I have found when going to "Sequence" and then "Sequence Settings" where I select my 2nd monitor as the "External Device", then click on "Render Effects in Work Area" under "Sequence" and then the transition are acceptable.
Unfortunately, when burning the video to a DVD in Encore the end result is a "studdering" of the transitions.
Cheers,
Michael
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3. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

Harm Millaard Nov 13, 2008 12:32 PM (in response to (shonabby612))

Reports from Adobe state that AVCHD material on an 8-core system is still very sluggish to edit. No problem if you are a coffee addict, because you will have lots of time for many cups.
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4. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

(shonabby612) Nov 13, 2008 1:53 PM (in response to (shonabby612))

Doesn't Adobe have some responsibility to address this with a fix??
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5. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

Harm Millaard Nov 13, 2008 2:55 PM (in response to (shonabby612))

No, the guys that introduced AVCHD have that responsibility. They created a codec that is very hard on hardware and Adobe has nothing to do with hardware. Ultimately Intel will introduce new processors, like the W5580, that can possibly handle the load in DP or MP configurations.
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6. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

(Mark_Slack) Nov 13, 2008 9:59 PM (in response to (shonabby612))

First of all, AVCHD sucks. HDV still rules the roost in terms of capture quality and post editing WITH TODAY'S TYPICAL SYSTEMS. The hardware will evolve, yes...

BUT, to put out an NLE that behaves as it does is frakking ridiculous. It's a joke. Adobe just wants to say they support AVCHD. Well, the software doesn't. It's substandard. The software sucks in this regard. In fact, as a resource hog Premiere Pro is now totally over the top. It has big issues relative to other NLEs.

Personally, in the end I agree with Millaard. I would avoid AVCHD altogether until the hardware catches up with the software.

Actually no real pros I know record in AVCHD.
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7. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

shooternz Nov 13, 2008 10:28 PM (in response to (shonabby612))

>HDV still rules the roost in terms of capture quality and post editing

...really.?

>It has big issues relative to other NLEs.

...patent nonsense. What are these issues?
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8. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

joshtownsend Nov 14, 2008 1:31 AM (in response to (shonabby612))

HDV was a ***** to edit when it came out. P2 cards to a year and a half for Adobe to support (then another year to screw up in CS4). Welcome to the bleeding edge of technology. There nothing wrong with AVCHD as a codect just shouldn't be a consumer codect.
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9. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

joshtownsend Nov 14, 2008 1:34 AM (in response to (shonabby612))

HARM, where did you read/see these reports? Can I have a link.

"Reports from Adobe state that AVCHD material on an 8-core system is still very sluggish to edit. "
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10. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

Harm Millaard Nov 14, 2008 2:16 AM (in response to (shonabby612))

I was told by Adobe beta testers at the IBC and was shown what he meant at that moment. Possibly one person here can corroborate as he has been known in that circle to identify time and again the most bugs/shortcomings/deficiencies in the beta program. The one in question knows whom I mean.
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11. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

(Mark_Slack) Nov 14, 2008 7:48 AM (in response to (shonabby612))

Well, my man, if you're over 50 like me and have watched the development of commercial software for 25 years on distributed platforms, you know that Adobe more than any other company has gone out of their way to BLOAT their products into oblivion. Being a retired corporate programmer, developer, designer, integrator, buyer, and ultimately officer and executive, I never understood the logic of their approach on any level. They have single handedly spawned a whole sub-industry of Adobe alternatives.

They simply don't write tight code anymore. And the number of user complaints is way above the median for the industry. We are on release 10. The product simply needs a rewrite. And they need to re-remember that the BEST software works seamlessly with the user. It doesn't now.

Premiere Pro fulfills a need to a high degree. BUT it's not perfect. And there are better written NLEs out there.
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12. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

(Angelo_Clematide) Nov 14, 2008 8:28 AM (in response to (shonabby612))

for editing AVCHD 1080 you need to work with a intermediate codec. If it needs color correction, load the original format after editing is done, apply any correction and export the master. If no corrections is required, use the intermediate codec as master.
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13. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

joshtownsend Nov 16, 2008 6:46 AM (in response to (shonabby612))

Mark thanks pointing that out maybe someone who works for Adobe needs to read it. Who needs Transcribing when the program can't even edit codects that have been around for years.

Vegas 8's first update wasn't fixes, 8.1 gave native 64 bit. Pretty sure Adobe couldn't get around to that will the ton of fixes and regular Adobe features still needing to be put back.
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14. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

Xoomtell Jun 2, 2009 1:21 PM (in response to (shonabby612))

Forget Vista 64 - it does not run PPCS4 nice at all. Even after updating to 4.1. Go for XP Pro SP3 - I run 2 GB MTS file in 720p 50 smooth in High Quality on Q6700, 8GB RAM and Nvidia 8800GT - same system with Vista 64 just does not work - even after the 4.1 update.
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15. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

Harm Millaard Jun 2, 2009 2:21 PM (in response to Xoomtell)

Talk about a weird setup and a waste of memory... 8 GB of RAM when all you can use is 4 GB, isn't that weird?
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16. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

Xoomtell Jun 2, 2009 2:40 PM (in response to Harm Millaard)

Yes - I use Vista 64 for anything else but PPCS4 - so I am kind of sad and frustrated not being able to use that whole 8 GB but only the 3 (XP only uses 3 GB ram) in PPCS4. Why are Adobe not making a native 64 bit version of PPCS4? Like Photoshop and Lightroom? A version capable of using the 64 bit to its limits? I was really chocked by experiencing that XP Pro was performing somewhat better in playing back AVCHD files than Vista 64. As you say - completely waste of 5 GB RAM.....
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17. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

Keith_Andrews Jun 2, 2009 2:41 PM (in response to (shonabby612))

Sort of a non-issue any more, considering Adobe proved to us that it was in fact software-based codec decoding performance that was affecting the playback of the AVCHD material all along, not hardware.

I haven't touched my quad-core setup since 4.0.0 and now with the 4.1 update, even 21mbps AVCHD plays back as smooth as DV and edits just as well. Lesson learned for all of us I guess.
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18. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

bysea Jun 2, 2009 3:23 PM (in response to Keith_Andrews)

What OS and version are you using?
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19. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

TheShamsMan Oct 28, 2009 6:40 AM (in response to bysea)

4.1 update doesn't do anything for the picture.. on Windows 7 anyways.
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20. Re: Disappointed Stuttering .MTS Files In Program View Before Render

TheShamsMan Oct 28, 2009 6:55 AM (in response to (Mark_Slack))

"Premiere Pro fulfills a need to a high degree. BUT it's not perfect. And there are better written NLEs out there."

Like which one?
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