1. What kind of 'improted film clips' are they?
2. What is a big beefy system?
GPU power is not very relevant, CPU and disk setup is. Details please.
Could your "imported AVI" Clips be encoded in DivX, or XviD? Many of these exhibit problems with either Audio, or Video not playing on Import. Use G-Spot (www.headbands.com/gspot) to tell what CODEC is used in AVI's. It could be a simple as you just not having the proper CODEC installed.
As for sluggishness, it sounds like PP is struggling to process your AVI's. Converting them outside of PP to DV-AVI will likely solve your observed problems.
Also, Harm's two questions are biggies, especially your "disk setup."
The movie clip is a simpe Microsoft Video 1 clip all of 30 seconds long. As I mentioned, it plays fine on this same hardware but with WinXP and a depricated PP version CS2.
The same clip takes over 40 seconds to start playing audio on PP version CS4 and no video. With such a huge software error on the back end, I would have thought that a simple error message should be displayed?
> Microsoft Video 1
Microsoft Video 1 is a miserable format: a horribly outdated and ugly codec. Do you have an original for this? If so, consider converting the source to DV or perhaps some lossless format.
I haven't messed around with MS Video 1 since the Premiere 4.x days, so I've got no idea if it plays at all in CS3 or CS4.
As for the system sluggishness, does this always happen or only with formats like MS Video 1?
I would like to thank Dan, Hunt, and Haram:
The problem is now very clear to me. The problem only shows up with video footage imported into PP CS4 encoded with "MS Video 1" codec. So this seems to be a bug. The codec is very clearly called out and supported within various menues but video with this codec just will not play in any monitor or preview window. In addition the entire product looks horrible with respect to performance while PP CS4 trys its best to play the video. Audio will start playing after about 30 seconds. And once in awhile part of video shows up at the wrong magnification before blanking out again.
My suggestion to the Adobe team: fix the bug and add some sample footage to the next release so new installations can test their systems with known footage.
My PC is brand new with the following "beefy" components:
nForce 790i SLI FTW
3x PCI Express x16 graphics support
PCI Express 2.0
NVIDIA SLI-Ready (requires multiple NVIDIA GeForce GPUs)
DDR3-2000 SLI-Ready memory w/ ERP 2.0 (requires select third party system memory)
NVIDIA MediaSheild w/ 9 SATA 3 Gb/sec ports
NVIDIA DualNet and FirstPacket Ethernet technology
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550
Product Code: BX80569Q9550
Made in Malaysia
Pack Date: 09/04/08
Freq.: 2.83 GHz
L2 Cache: 12 MHz Cache
FSB: 1333 MHz (MT/s)
Code named: Yorkfield
Cooling: Liquid Cooled
NVIDIAGeForce GTX 280 SC graphics card
1 GB of onboard memory
Full Microsoft DirectX 10
NVIDIA 2-way and 3-way SLI Ready
NVIDIA PureVideo HD technology
NVIDIA PhysX Ready
NVIDI CUDA technology
PCI Express 2.0 support
OpenGL 2.1 Capaple
Output: DVI (2 dual-link), HDTV
2 WD VelociRaptor 300 GB SATA Hard Drives configured as Raid 0
10,000 RPM, 3 Gb/sec transfer rate
RAM Memory , Corsair 4 GB (2 x 2 GB) 1333 MHz DDR3
p/n: TW3X4G1333C9DHX G
XMS3 DHX Dual-Path 'heat xchange'
2048 x 2 MB
i struggled with the same problem for a while and got it fixed when i installed the latest video drivers... coincidence or not, i have exactly the same video card you have. nvidia GTX 280.
Microsoft Video 1 may be an export option, Ron. But not all export options make good source material. This is one such case.
It's very likely not a bug at all, just the wrong kind of video to be editing.
I am having similar issues. The clip plays for a second but then all I hear is audio. I am using MPEG-2 file and an AVI file (XVID). I have the correct codecs installed.
You're having the same issue because you're doing the same thing wrong - trying to edit videos that are not designed for the task.
In general, Premiere works best with video you shoot yourself using various professional cameras. Consumer editing may be easier accomplished using consumer tools. www.VideoHelp.com is a good place to look.
So if I have some source that I want to play with that is MJPG what is the recommended next step?
Is there a way to convert to a more usable format for editing?
Sorry if this question has been asked before.
WMM or similar.
Google is your friend.
So what's the difference between CS3 and CS4. I did not have any of these issues with CS3 on the same laptop. Was I just getting lucky?
I have the same problems when I upgraded from CS3 to CS4. When I try to edit AVI files with XviD ISO MPEG-4 codec, the sound and video is not in synch. The video dosen't seem to start in like 10-15 seconds, and goes very slow when it starts. I'm using Vista and have the codecs installed on the computer. It plays fine in media player 11, but not in Premiere CS4.
And my car does not swim over the Hudson. Shame on you, car manufacturer for not producing a boat/car combo! Or is it that I am using the wrong tool to cross the Hudson? Maybe I should use a boat instead of a car?
Using XviD is just wrong for an application like PR or any NLE for that matter. XviD is for display, not editing.
Continuing to post the same pointer to the same useless website doesn't help us people with the problem.
I have tried several different movie formats, including mpg files and avi files that I have previously captured; and which will PLAY fine in quicktime, windows media player, etc.
In fact, while I cannot see the video frames display in Premier Pro, it will still export the clips fine to other formats which can be played in the other players too. Unfortunately, editing is much more difficult if I can't see the frames I'm working in.
The problem does not seem to be the import, but instead seems to be something wrong with the "player" within Premier Pro - at least in my case. I have an ASUS Geforce 9500 GT, and I downloaded and installed the latest drivers.
>Continuing to post the same pointer to the same useless website doesn't help us people with the problem.
You and I have *very* different definitions of useless.
>I have tried several different movie formats, including mpg files and avi files that I have previously captured; and which will PLAY fine in quicktime, windows media player, etc.
Telling us the format is not as useful as telling us what codecs are wrapped up inside that format. If it turns out that DivX and/or XviD are involved, then you will almost certainly have issues editing in Premiere Pro. DivX and XviD are designed for delivering content to your audience, not for editing.
In Windows Media Player, the properties show that the video codec is "DV Video Decoder" for the .avi file, and that's it.
The .mpg files - which I captured myself off of my own video camera at one time using Sony Vegas (I think) don't report any codecs.
Use Gspot to determine the codecs in use. If necessary convert to DV AVI type2 before importing into PP.
Doesn't the fact that Premier Pro will convert it successfully matter?
I also note that it will not display the windows vista sample videos (e.g., Bear).
By the way, when I use GSpot to analyze the .avi file, it says this:
File Length Correct
DV Type 2 AVI
Multipart OpenDML AVI (2 parts)
(8466 frames in first part, 228 frames follow)
I am tending to think that it is something in the graphics rendering with my card. When I first brought up Photoshop it wanted to use GPU acceleration and I couldn't get it to display a picture until I turned off the "Enable OpenGL Drawing" option in preferences - even though I have the latest drivers from ASUS for the 9500GT.
The Adobe troubleshooting document didn't help me.... I don't seem to have some of the preference menus items that they document, in particular, I don't have "Desktop Display Mode" in my preferences anywhere.
Premiere should indeed be able to work with those DV files. Looking to the graphics card is probably the right move.
Well, I have looked at it already... I can see no reason why it shouldn't work.
It seems to be an issue with Premier Pro - similar to the issue I had with GPU acceleration in Photoshop. Unfortunately I cannot find a configuration setting in Premier that will fix it.
Every other program can display these videos, all except for Premier Pro. And, unfortunately, it does not seem possible to get any direct help from Adobe without paying money to them.
So is there a reason that Xvid and Divx work fine in CS2 but don't work at all in CS4?
There may be. Your best bet is simply not to use them.
So I switched from CS4 PP to Sony Vegas Pro 8.0 and it's working great, loads in about 1 second and plays and edits DivX/Xvid like a champ [expletives deleted]
wow and it's faster too, a 60 minute Xvid video was going to take 3 hours to encode into mp4 in PP CS4, now it's only going to take 30 minutes in vegas pro. 34% done already nice.
"And my car does not swim over the Hudson. Shame on you, car manufacturer for not producing a boat/car combo! Or is it that I am using the wrong tool to cross the Hudson? Maybe I should use a boat instead of a car?"
Well, thanks for the nice answer. Hope you will have a nice swim over the Hudson, while I'm editing some video. I think it's stupid of Adobe not including formats that used to work just fine. Sometimes it's useful to edit stuff that allready is converted into Xvid. Now I have to use another program to convert it first, before I can use it in premiere.
>Sometimes it's useful to edit stuff that allready is converted into Xvid.
Probably not very often for the pro market this software is targeted to.
Its a microsoft problem i guess (oh thats new!!)
Turn "video acceleration" to none in Windows Media Player options>tab Performance. This is not a permanent solution, but it can fix it till microsoft turn available a patch to solve the real problem. The permanent solution to solve this can be archived with a complete check to all system, including drivers, patches etc.
Hope it solves your problem.