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Hi, josh, glad to know that you are working fine with your CS4.
I just did a test by importing a PAL DV footage of 83MB. Exported to Format "Quicktime", video Codec "H.264". Checked the bitrate setting and made it 4,000kbps. The Estimated file size was ridiculously small at 91KB. But the real final video size was 7.2MB. The quality of the rendered video was horrible !
I then bumped up the bitrate to max 144,000kbps with estimated file size of 3MB. But strange enough was that the rendered file size was the same as before at 7.2MB. And of course the quality was also horrible.
Any ideas please ?
upload the file and let me try it. You know I'll be objective. :)
I don't have access to Pal DV even though I guess I could render some would that be the same as footage shot by a PAL camera.
Thanks josh, here your are
Hi, josh, could you also make a comparison test on progressive and lower field first with format H.264 (not quicktime), any presets. I found progressive very choppy and jumpy while it was smooth if I kept that at lower field first.
I made a pal dv 20 second clip in premiere CS4. Then used the media encoder to encode both .mov and .mp4 using h264 and got file that played fine. I set the quicktime .mov to 4,000kb and got a 30 second pal sized file that was 24 mb. Which sounds correct. Granted the AME predicted it would be tiny like 100+kb but like I said it's consistently wrong with the few codecs in which you can change the quicktime bitrate.
Another quicktime note -
A lot of higher quality codects like motion jpeg (no quality setting, small files) and animation(just plain looks bad but the files are still huge) are totally busted.All the codecs that have no controllable bitrate act like they're web presets (which Animation and motion-jpeg are definitely not).
The very high settings like 144,000kb are probably for 4k film film files.
OK Now that Iput some time in trying to help can I complain about adobe not updating release a single whitepaper workflow IN A MONTH. While Flash, Air, Acrobat and Adobe RAW get's more camera compatibility Adobe's ugly stepchild Premiere CS4 gets one maybe in December.
If we're lucky.
Sorry, I think I have 'Premiere CS4 Tourette's Syndrome'.
I'll check your file out by tomorrow afternoon. I'm ready drink some beer and watch a flick.
What format do you want me to encode it. PAL DVD, square pixal.mov h264, straight up mp4 H264?
Man that took no time at all. It works fine. 15mb at 4,000 kb 74mb at highest setting. They both look exactly like you gave them to me. I was able to make 4 diffent encode in just a few minutes all of them with expected results.
Your footage is 25fps progressive so there is no way any program can get rid of that interlace in your original footage. If the file isn't interlaced theres no way to get rid of interlacing. But's thats another subject.
Sorry but it's not a CS4 encoder problem.
Thanks josh, please encode it as follows,
Format : Quicktime
Preset : PAL DV (but will be changed to custom)
Video Codec : H.264
Basic Setting : quality > 100
W,H > 640x480
Frame rate : 25
Field type : a Lower first and a Progressive for jumpiness comparison
Aspect : Square pixel
Other options are at your discretion but please play around the "Bitrate Setting" which makes no difference in rendered video.
And could you also make a comparison test on progressive and lower field first with format H.264 (not quicktime), any presets. I found progressive very choppy and jumpy while it was smooth if I kept that at lower field first.
...no, the footage was captured direct from tape without modification. And I have checked it to be interlaced, lower field first.
How do these look. I wrote the procedure under the video for de-interlacing your footage in premiere and AE. Sorry I was wrong your footage is interlaced top field first. Not used to PAL footage at all but I did get it render into a couple different formats. If you sign up to Vimeo you can download the original file in the lower left hand corner of the page.
I don't know any other way of fixing the clip in premiere other than 'right click - field options - de-interlace all'
In AE I had to 'interpret footage - top field first;
>I don't know any other way of fixing the clip in premiere other than 'right click - field options - de-interlace all'
Can't you just export with a progressive preset? I am told that it automatically deinterlaces with this kind of export.
TLC61369 - why don't you try it for yourself? Please. The file is only 81 mb Please. Rendered in like 7 seconds on my computer every time.
Progressive exports gave interlace problems every time because Premiere doesn't automatically do it any more.
Thank you josh for taking the time to do the tests.
The one titled "PAL test premiere render .mov h264" is good. But the other two are very jerky.
For your info, the original video is "lower field first".
I will do some more tests.
Thank you again.
But setting it to top field first in AE is what fixed the interlace.