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> Can anyone say whether HDV is now finally as smooth as DV editing, and whether the indexing/conforming time has improved?
For me it works better, but i heave problem to export back to tape with sopme dropped frames etc.
Will instal back CS3 and than will compare if this is a CS4 problem or something with my project/computer/camera.
I solve the problem :-)
I install CS3 and export to tape and there was no problem.
So the solution for that is:
1. Did everything (editing etc.) on CS4
2. Export to uncompressed avi
3. Load CS3
4. Import this avi file
5. Export to tape (works fine).
I don't know if other has the same problem, but i get it.
I've got quad 2,4 Ghz processor, 1 disk for OS, 2xRAID0 (2x2 disks).
My camera is Sony HC3.
> I solve the problem :-)
Well done. I'm truely amazed at the lenghts people will go to avoid
converting a long GOP codec to a codec better suited to edting.
You sugest that there is better solution?
Can you give us a tip?
I'm just confused why it's not working on CS4 and it's working on CS3.
> You sugest that there is better solution?
> Can you give us a tip?
Sure. I've posted on this topic numerous times so you might try a search as
well. "Better" is a matter of opinion, and YMMV. HDV uses long GOP
compression that was designed for delivery, and not specifically designed
for editing. Many consumers (and no doubt some pros) don't want to spend
money for codecs and other applications to improve the workflow and are
willing to put up with the inherent issues of editing a long GOP codec.
Some editors prefer to convert HDV to a codec better suited to editing (e.g.
Cineform CFHD) before importing into Premiere or AE. Cineform offers free
trials so you can try before you buy.
Though some will disagree, I look forward to a release of Premiere that
works somewhat analogous to Photoshop. Photoshop can import and export a
myriad of formats, but supports one internal format. Perhaps CS5 or CS6
will use this architecture.
Thanks a lot for that tip.
Will try it for sure.
I had problem when i export with speed like 3500% which i think it's what you talking about.
But i just choose in context menu -> Field Options -> Always deinterlace and that helps.
But i think with the problem which i had in CS4 it's just a bug in the software.
I import exported uncompresed microsoft avi file to CS4 and try to export to tape and still had that problem.
But when i did it CS3 i didn't had that problem.
It's something with recording to tape not with the GOP. It's just freeze recording for half secoond or something like that.
Anyway it was nice to hear something from more expirence guy ;)
Thanks a lot.
Thanks for teh responses, I haven't posted here for a while. Not sure about jumping into the upgrade, though having separate settings for different sequences and batchable output is something I've been much looking forward to.
About the long GOP format, I guess this technology was never expected to last this long. It perhaps wasn't introduced as an editing format, but it wasn't introduced as a delivery format either, since we've never been able to 'deliver' a finished piece as HDV, unless it's back to tape which is rarely used I suspect for delivery. It certainly was brought in as an aquisition format though, as a step up to HD while still working in a firewire based workflow. It's just crazy that it's been around so long now and it still seems to be unworkable.
And with Sony bringing out new pro level HDV cameras with tapeless workflow, looks like HDV is here for a while.
Would be nice not to have to fork out $$ to do something the software itself is already designed to do. Storage is also a big issue.
Christopher, with cineform can you say how long it would take to convert a 12gig HDV file to something more editable, and how much space the new file would take up?
Your best answer can be found by using the trial on your machine. That will show you the time and space required, but calculate around triple the original size.
> Christopher, with cineform can you say how long it would take to convert a
> 12gig HDV file to something more editable, and how much space the new file
> would take up?
Regarding performance, Cineform apps do really well on multiple CPUs, so
you'll have to run it on your system to get conversion times. Regarding
space, figure about 3x increase.
PS: I don't have CS4 yet. Cineform has an excellent track record of
supporting new releases, but please kick the tires first or check their
Will do. Thanks for your responses.
Hmmm. Is Adobe going into a new venture in this economy?
My workflow has always been to use the scene detect feature and work with individual clips. With hdv and CS3/4 this is not possible - you can only capture one huge file, or perhaps (haven't tried yet) you can manually set in/out points but what a waste of time when you're dealing with a four-camera project and two or three tapes per camera!
Am thinking of buying Vegas 8 to capture with if it does scene detect and actually creates separate clip files (anyone know if it does?)
As for those thinking of a cheaper way out, Pinnacle Studio 11 has scene detect but it's with virtual clip files - you still get one long physical file and it doesn't appear to be compatible with CS4.
>As for those thinking of a cheaper way out
HDVSplit. It's free and I've read it works great with Premiere Pro and it has scene detect.
> With hdv and CS3/4 this is not possible -
Scene detection is supported by Cineform. You can convert to CFHD and split
on the fly. It's also multithreaded and performs well on multiprocessors.
If you are trying to edit HDV on the cheap, there's HDVSplit, assuming you
have the patience to edit the HDV codec.