Seems lots of folks are having issues playing back similar media. Not sure a new computer will help in this case.
I don't see why a new computer wouldn't help. My graphics card is junk, my CPU is maxed out at 100% when trying to play this. A faster CPU and a graphics card with its own processor/memory would surely help - just need someone with experience. Maybe this is the wrong place to ask.
What I'm saying is that even with high end hardware, users are reporting the same kind of difficulty editing MP4 files that you have with your current computer. Updating the hardware may not fully resolve the problem.
Just something to be aware of.
QT Pro v7.5 plays my 5Dm2 native video files just fine. Premiere CS4 however... ugly. I've heard that transcoding the H.264 40Mbps videos to another format allows a better editing experience.
Dell Precision 690, 1 quad-core 3GHz processor, 12GB RAM, 15000 rpm SAS system drive, 1TB SATA video disk (non-RAID), 1TB SATA temp disk (non-RAID), Quadro FX 3500 graphics card (non-CUDA unfortunately)
Question is... what is the most efficient format to transcode into?
A tutorial on Vimeo for Final Cut Pro on a mac mentions HDCAM EX as a format to use. (http://www.vimeo.com/2373679)
I don't see that option as shown on the Mac from my Vista box using either Adobe Media Encoder CS4 or MPEG Streamclip v1.2.
If I start a project in Premiere CS4 using the HDCAM EX 1080p presets, what is the corresponding Media Encoder format to choose for converting my clips before importing to Premiere?
I'm currently testing the following output format in AME:
MPEG2 Blu-Ray: 1920x1080,23.976 fps, Progressive, Quality 5, no audio, VBR 2-pass, bitrate setings of 25 min 35 target 40 max.
HDCAM EX must be a new format. Care to show us a camera that uses that format?
Thanks Craig, but also a nasty deception. I have not before noticed such a grave error by Adam Wilt, whom I hold in much esteem. One can only assume that even Adam can now look back and say: "Jeez, I thought this was a downgraded version of HDCAM-SR and now it seems to be an upgraded version of XDCAM. It is now marketed as XDCAM-EX."
He doesn't have a camera that shoots XDCAM which uses an MPEG codec so that's the wrong preset if the video is h264.
Link to the camera manual:
read the bottom of page 218 there's a weird disclaimer saying the h254 is patented by AT&T and I think it says you can't use the footage for commercial purposes??!!????
Really odd, anyone know what that means?
I have a computer with the following specs:
Q6600 processor, 8 GB DDR2 800 RAM, 4x1TB 7200k esata drives RAID 10 (data), 2x500GB esata 7200k drives RAID 0 (OS, Apps), Nvidia GT 8600 video card, Vista 64-bit
5D MKII video in the timeline looks like crap in CS4, meaning it drops a ton of frames, is slow, etc...impossible to edit with. It's actually slightly better in CS3, not sure why.
I'm also looking for options on how to make this work. Cineform doesn't seem to support the MKII video (just tried it). Do I need some sort of crazy 5 disk SAS raid array?
If people are manually transcoding to another format...how to get back? Sounds like Final Cut has this intermediate codec thing resolved from what I've read...unfortunately I'm on a PC.
How do I solve this? I've already shot a bunch of video and short of doing some insane "render everything then make edits then render again dance" I'm not sure what to do...
I've tried jumping through a number of hoops as well.
Even a fairly basic mac will handle this stuff just fine. Makes me want to switch. It's a pretty major oversight on Canon's part to not at least have one pc based editing package work properly with this video.
Stopped by the apple store the other day and tested a few clips on all the machines. Even the lowly mac mini plays back the files pretty well. The included iMovie can edit the footage better than Vegas or Premiere.
For now, the cheapest reasonable option seems to be a $1,700 24" imac with final cut express. But, blu-ray authoring is a whole other issue.
There seems to be an almost universal issue on the pc with the qt codec. I'm more thining it's a poor port of the codec to pc by apple. But, who knows.
See this thread for more.
Hey, he's doing why I did. Throwing his piece-of-junk PC out the window!
Yeah, computers are junk. Take up knitting, it's much less stressful. :P
I'd only take up knitting if there was some kind of Wiki to help when I get stuck.
South Park Mac vs. PC - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id_kGL3M5Cg
Update - I bought a $667 HP computer on Cyber Monday. Specs - 4gb Intel Q9300 quad core, 500gb 7200rpm sata 3.0 hard drive, 512 mb geforce 9500. Not a gamer's PC - but I did alright for the price.
At this point, my CPU was fine. In my old PC, the cpu/gpu were the bottlenecks. Now, it was my hard drive. I was able to play a few seconds of edited video in Premiere Pro CS4, and then after a few seconds, the rendered content would lag - and HD maxxing out.
So, I bought 3 640gb Barracudas - 7200, 32mb cache, SATA 3.0g/s. For my rendering drive (no real storage, just preview rendering), I have 2 of the 640's set on a RAID 0 - making a 1280gb drive that's pretty wicked fast.
Now, my previews play just fine :)
Thanks for the update...it's interesting I have 4 Hitachi 1 TB drives at RAID 10 (so 2 at RAID 0), they are also 7200 RPM, 32 MB cache for data. I also have a similar RAID 0 setup for my OS apps with 2 HDs of the same speed. I've tried running off both of them and the HD playback of the mkII files is still choppy and unusable in CS4 (not as bad in CS3, but still lags).
Super wicked fast would be 2+ 10k raptors or 15k SAS drives :)....I'm really surprised that 2 7200 drives at RAID 0 solved your problems...but if so that's great though. Maybe it's the fact that you have nothing going on for these drives other than rendering (no storage, OS, etc)....sounds like that might be way to go!
Keith can you share you HD configuration? I know you have 2 of your barracudas for the preview drive, what about the other 3 HDs you have? I'll try to replicate that and see if I can get the same results...
Actually, what I just noticed is that the scratch disk preview files are only for when you render, not for just playing un-rendered video in the timeline. I suspect when you are playing unrendered video in the timeline, premiere is simply reading directly from the source files. Someone correct me if wrong, but if this is true, putting your preview files on another disk or disk array wouldn't affect timeline rendering performance, only rendering performance or potentially rendered video playback performance. My problem is before I render, I want the cut footage to play smoothly so I can ensure the flow, etc. is good before waiting a while for the rendering.
Good point about the scratch preview. I noticed the rendering didn't go quicker, but the playback of rendered files did work. Didn't test playback of unrendered media yet.
Right now, my setup/transition is still in progress, but here it is - along with the HD Tune (I think that's the app) results for the drive's speed.
1) 500gb 500/7200/3.0gs/16mb(40-70MB/s)
2) RAID 0 2x Barracudas 640ea/7200/3.0gs/32mb (180-200MB/s)
3) Seagate FreeAgent 500GB USB (19-20MB/s -ugh)
4) Barracuda 640/7200/3.0gs/32mb (100-110MB/s)
EMPTY - WILL HOLD SOURCE IN THE FUTURE
5) Older 300gb/7200/3.0gs/16mb (60-80MB/s)
MISC BACKUP FILES
The unrendered playback in Premiere Pro was a joke, which I believe is due to the terrible read rate of the FreeAgent in #3. Overnight, I had the files move from #3 to #4, but haven't tested yet. It will be interesting to see how much difference this makes, I'm sure a lot. I'll give it a try tonight and will let you know how it works.
Okay, yes I see...my rendered playback is actually ok on my system, but I can't realistically wait for a render (which can take a lonnggg time) just to see the flow of the video. I suspect you'll run into the same issue of un-rendered footage playing with lag, choppiness as another poster and myself have seen, and he has an 15k SAS drive.
I'm testing transcoding into another format for editing, and then seeing if I can replace it before final rendering... I will post results. From talking to others, disk speed increasing may not improve the playback of un-rendered video, it's more how windows handles QT encoded video (like the MKii video) based on limitations of the QT SDK.
I can play files straight from the 5DII and on the PC using QT and it looks very nice. But, in Premiere Pro, no way. Gotta render first. I'm using the "uncompressed y-something" format in the Premiere Pro preview options.
Have you looked at your system's resource monitors to see what the bottleneck is? With my old computer, my CPU was, got a new one - and it did better, but during the slow times, my HD has been to blame.
Are there any meters (HD, CPU, etc) maxxing out?
I have looked at the default settings in resource monitor, and nothing is a bottleneck...not even disk (there are probably more specific counters I could add related to disk monitoring, but I'm no expert in this area). From what I see, however, this leads me to believe it's a software issue or something. The video slightly stutters for me in QT (outside premiere), but overall it is OK. In VLC player it's perfectly smooth. In Premiere and Vegas timeline playback, it's really choppy.
same for me as for Luke Humphrey. QT acts like there are dropped frames. VLC plays it perfectly, and Premiere wants to render every little clip for 30 minutes first.
We have been using a Pentium 4 3.2GHS at 800 2Gb ram and 400 Gb hard drive for 4 years with high definition and no problems except for the Canon 5D Mark II mov files which take a while to render about 5 hours for 35 minute projects.
You must defragment often , the exported video to Pro tape is exceptional from this camera but it does run at 30fps and you may see a minor problem with some car or train, tram movement but, this can be fixed. We work in Pal at 25fps and it does seem better than setting the projcts at 29.97fps HDV . You should see the difference on the Premier's monitor , and adjust accordingly, it is very smooth on the cameras LCD 920,000 pixel monitor.
Adobe Techs from Australia or wherever they are do not seem to have a clue, at least the answers from any phone advice is vertually non existent as they do not provide tech support for older version of their software, let alone CS 4 as the trial version does not come with HD ????????????????