29 Replies Latest reply on Dec 15, 2008 12:28 PM by (MarkCole)

    Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing

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      Buying a new computer and trying to figure it all out. Also, is a raid O 1tb drive (2x500) sata3 7200rpm faster than a 1.5 TB sata3 (2 7200rpm drives) No Raid Thanks for the help.
        • 2. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
          rockyweih Level 1
          Check out this info on the vista versions. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2068721,00.asp
          I'm not sure Ultimate is worth the extra money. Both support multi cores, both support 2 physical CPUs. Ultimate supports 128 gig of ram, Home Premium supports 16 with the 64 bit versions. Goggle a while and decide what's best. As for Raid Vs No Raid, I don't run raid. I like the SATA 2 or 3 7200s, one drive for one project when I work on weddings and events. I run 320 gig Western Digitals. I don't like to put so many eggs in one basket. Good Luck
          PS what the heck is STFW? Some smart *** answer again I imagine.
          • 3. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
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            STFW Search the f*****g Web

            Abbreviation Meaning

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            • 4. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
              Harm Millaard Level 7
              > I like the SATA 2 or 3

              Show me a SATA 3 drive please.

              Google is your friend.
              • 5. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant
                Harm, maybe he has a time transporter machine also!
                • 6. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                  Jim_Simon Level 8
                  I'd actually go for Home Basic for a video editing rig. It has everything you need but none of the fluff you don't.

                  RAID 0 performance will likely be better than a single drive, but I use the new Seagate 1.5 TB drive and it's plenty fast enough, plus you get more storage with that option.
                  • 7. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                    rockyweih Level 1
                    Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

                    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136283
                    • 8. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                      Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant
                      That is a SATA Revision 2 drive and all SATA2 drives run a 3.0Gbits/sec. I can see that it is easy to confuse these advertisements and the true designation.

                      Here is what the future will bring--SATA Revision 3.0 with a transfer rate of 6Gbits/second
                      http://www.serialata.org/documents/SATA_6gbphy_pressrls_finalrv2.pdf

                      Maybe next year???
                      • 9. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                        TradeWind Level 3
                        The 1TB WD Caviar Black drives are great, get em for about $130 most places now. Pretty speedy (check Tom's Hardware for more info).

                        On Vista, the 16 GB capacity versus 128 GB capacity on RAM utilization seems to be rather important, especially when you consider that PPro alone can utilize all of that in CS4. At any rate, when paired with the right processor(s), having 32 GB of RAM is a pretty good idea if you want a couple of years worth of future proofing on your general system, and prices right now are more than reasonable.
                        • 10. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                          Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant
                          My opinion!

                          32 GB is a definite overkill in my opinion. There is no such thing as future proofing your PC system. By the time applications can use 32 GB practically, that memory will be obsolete. For instance my rather up to date dual Xeon system has FB DDR2 memory, the next generation dual processor systems probably available early next year will be for DDR3 RAM.

                          And then strangely we won't be talking about 16 GB or 32 GB because these new motherboards from the Nehalem family are all (that I have seen) triple memory channel boards and you logically go from 6 GB (3x2 GB) to 12GB (3x4 GB) to 18 GB (3x2+3x1 GB) or 24 GB (6x4 GB) etc. (The new computer math)
                          • 11. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                            joshtownsend Level 2
                            "the next generation dual processor systems probably available early next year will be for DDR3 RAM"

                            there already for sale down at the local comp USA. i7's only take ddr3. You have a point.
                            • 12. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                              Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant
                              Unfortunately my statement still stands, DUAL PROCESSOR systems will not be available until next year! Yes, single processor i7 systems have been available for several weeks.
                              • 13. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                joshtownsend Level 2
                                Duel processor systems have been available for nearly a decade. Your correct the next generation of dual processors won't be available til next year. But technically this is has been true for the past decade .....once avery year or two. Also the dual processor i7's will for take ddr3's.

                                Pretty stupid of me to argue semantics but hell.....
                                • 14. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                  Jim_Simon Level 8
                                  While we're on the subject of semantics, you should probably say "dual-chip", because there actually are four processors on a single i7 chip.
                                  • 15. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                    TradeWind Level 3
                                    While I won't argue the logic on what is the standard for "future proof" and what is not, I will only say that I seldom find myself along the bleeding edge.

                                    So for me, if a particular i7 dual core/chip/proc is available next year and requires triple channel DDR3, I will carefully mark that down to consider in another 12-18 months or so. And if I need to build the best system I can today or tomorrow or a couple of days from now, and I need one that will still yield plentiful amounts of power in 12-18 months while I consider the next build, I'd say load up some RAM and a quad (or dual quad) and enjoy the mix of price efficiency and power until the i7 prices become somewhat more reasonable.

                                    That has generally been my approach, and I don't see my wallet fattening beyond that logic anytime in the near future (unless you guys know something.....?)

                                    :)
                                    • 16. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                      Jim_Simon Level 8
                                      The i7 920 is pretty reasonable now, and offers performance gains that may be worth considering over options like the Q6600.
                                      • 17. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                        Level 1
                                        Thank you all for your comments and advice. I pulled the trigger and built a Dell studio XPS with an Core I7 920 processor, 12 gigs of DDR3 ram, blue ray burner, ATI 512 4850 graphics card, 640g 7200 boot drive and soon to come WD 1TB 32 7200 storage drive. It better run AVCHD smoothly :)
                                        • 18. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                          Level 1
                                          >It better run AVCHD smoothly

                                          Don't count on it.
                                          • 19. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                            Jim_Simon Level 8
                                            >640g 7200 boot drive

                                            That's really a waste as you should have nothing but Windows and programs on your boot drive. Use a second drive for projects/scratch and a third for media.

                                            Otherwise, killer system dude!!!
                                            • 20. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                              Level 1
                                              LOL - Nice. Should I say, after the 4.02 update :)
                                              • 21. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                                Level 1
                                                You're right, Jim. The 640 came free with the base build so I went for it.
                                                • 22. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                                  Harm Millaard Level 7
                                                  Does that also apply to the 12 GB RAM, or have you been stolen blind, as is standard practice at Dell for any option?
                                                  • 23. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                                    joshtownsend Level 2
                                                    Those Wd 640's are cheap and as fast as a Raptor. I'm using one as my boot drive. The first 200 gigs are partitioned for the OS and progams this makes sure everything system related is going to read as fast or faster than a Raptor (faster than my 74 gig Raptor by a good clip).

                                                    Since the drive is only 80 bucks it's well worth it for a boot drive. Also as you have 400 gigs left in case you need to store some big files or run out of room unexpectedly.

                                                    I own 6 640's total and swear by them. So fast I don't need RAID to get realtime playback from my P2 1080 files that are a gigabyte a minute. The only non raid harddrive that faster is the WD VelociRaptor.
                                                    • 24. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                                      joshtownsend Level 2
                                                      I have a 9550 with only 6gigs of DDR and I was able to play one stream on AVCHD that JEFF B sent me at real-time even with fast color correction. I don't see why you'd have a problem.

                                                      Don't worry by the end of next Summer the CSA4.1.0 patch will come out and everything will work great. Then 7-8 months later CS5 will come out full of bugs.

                                                      The Adobe cycle of life will continue.......
                                                      • 25. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                                        Level 1
                                                        Harm, the price for all the above including tax was just under 1900.00 - the price for the extra six gigs of tri-channel DDR3 ram was $200.00 - It is possible to cut a better deal with Dell over the phone.

                                                        I had to go for it because there are only six slots for ram and they fill it with six 1 gig cards - so if I wanted to upgrade later I would have to start from scratch. I guess you can fault Dell for that.
                                                        • 26. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                                          Level 1
                                                          Thanks, Josh. That's reassuring.
                                                          • 27. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                                            rockyweih Level 1
                                                            I don't know if it's still true but I was told by a Western Digital rep a couple years ago the hard drives you buy in a store or on line are not the same as you get in a Dell PC. WD made Dells hard drives for Dell (cheapened down and out the door. No warranty from WD for Dell) The no warranty thing was because WD would not give Dell a 3 or 5 year warranty after cutting the quality down so much. Thats why even Dell only puts a one year warranty on the drives. Thats why I build all my computers, they have much better hardware in them that way.
                                                            • 28. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                                              joshtownsend Level 2
                                                              Best part about WD is the warrenty. If you give them a credit card number they will send you a new drive and you have a month to send the broken one in before they charge your card for the price of the harddrive they sent you.

                                                              Now that is customer service.
                                                              • 29. Re: Is Vista Ultimate worth it over Home premium for editing
                                                                Level 1
                                                                Good to know. I'm actually buying my WD 7200 1TB media drive from a computer builder since Dell does not offer a second drive. (a little strange) It's about $100.00.