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I don't know if you can easily remove them in AE, but Cineform now sells a stand alone plug in that will do it for you...I think it is around $120. I have used it successfully on my HV30 footage and removes the 3/2 pulldown and creates a 23.976 file.
If you don't want to have a ture 23.976 timeline, you can just bring the footage in as HDV 60i and it will just keep the 3/2 pulldown inside of the footage and you can edit as you please.
I am still playing trying to decide how I want to do it and what difference it really makes.
Is it realy 24p footage or is it just 24p Cinema mode that gives you the filmlook.
I do understand that there are ways to remove the pulldown after import, but why is there a 1080 24p option if it doesn't import at the correct 24 or 23.whatever frame rate. Is it just the Camera (Canon HV30)?
And Ann, yes, it does record at 24p. It's not just a cinema look option, while it does include that feature. I have successfully imported the 1080 24p in Final Cut, but not Premiere.
You have to "interpret footage" and check the 24p box. CS4 doesn't do automatic pulldowns like it did in CS3 and before. They said they were gonna fix it eventually.
Also note, If you use Media Browser it's gonna show as 29.97 so if you do cuts in there they might be off by frame pr two.
Every thing from this camera is 60i. Even when you shoot 24p the camera puts it to tape in 60i wrapper. You need to use a 60i preset unless you use another program to remove pulldown first.
"Even when you shoot 24p the camera puts it to tape in 60i wrapper"
That's why you need to "interpret" each clip.
The DVX-100 and Canon Xl-2 both record only 60i yet you can pulldown 24p. Hell my HVX 200 records 60i yet I can do a pulldown. Hell, every camera that shoot HDV to tape is 60i.
All too often people get confused by all the marketing talk about film look and 24P. They have to keep in mind that tape recording will not alter speed of the tape (due to manufacturing costs, which would be sky high) so NTSC versions will ONLY record 60i and PAL 50i, despite the claims from Marketing. My suggestion, forget about the hype of 24P, unless you are in favor of stuttering images. Better use 30P or 25P if you want progressive.
Not all of them offer a recording format that can do proper pulldown removal, though Josh. The Panasonic 24p mode is to be edited in a standard 30i preset. Only the 24pA mode offers a pulldown that can be properly removed for editing in a 24p preset. It's the same for one of the bigger Canon's (though the model escapes me at the moment).
"Not all of them offer a recording format that can do proper pulldown removal, though Josh. The Panasonic 24p mode is to be edited in a standard 30i preset. Only the 24pA mode offers a pulldown that can be properly removed for editing in a 24p preset."
Jim I know the difference between 24p and 24pa, sounds like Harm doesn't though explain it to him. All I was trying to get across is: Just because a dv tape can only record 60i doesn't mean you can get progressive frames from it.
I did a google search and there a ton of info about dv30 and 24p. The whole point of that camera is that it shoots 24p, it's cheap and a lot of indie people use it to shoot shorts and even features. There's whole websites about that camera because it can shoot 24p. Click below.
I was just glancing through some of the stuff on those links and seems Canon didn't make getting 24p out of that camera easy on anyone.
But it is only around a grand I guess and does have manual controls.
You might need to go tell wiki how it really is because there whole page that disagrees with you. Here's one sentence "It should also be noted that while the strobe of 24p is in many ways considered a disadvantage, it's also part of the "film look." 24 frame/s film strobes in exactly the same way."
>I was just glancing through some of the stuff on those links and seems Canon didn't make getting 24p out of that camera easy on anyone.
That was my whole point!!! You just can't interpret the footage like you thought you could.
Gotcha. I was wrong no problem admitting it.
So it appears that Luc should edit in a normal 30i (60i) preset, yes?
>So it appears that Luc should edit in a normal 30i (60i) preset, yes?
Correct...unless he uses Cineform to remove the pulldown.
Thanks for all the info guys. I solved my 24p problem using CS4's dynamic link feature. While it is tedious, I send an imported clip to After Effects, interpret the footage correctly (in effect making the frame rate 23.976) and save the comp. Then it updates in Premiere. The only problem is rendering, which is annoying. But I believe this is easier then paying for Cineform.
Canon HV30's 24P is actually called PF24. It is shot in 24p but then wrap in a 60i container with pulldown inserted. You can edit in a 60i timeline. However, there might be some ghosting frames visible during high motion scene.
YOu can remove pulldown to obtain a pure 24fps stream then edit in a 24p timeline. To do so, you can pay for Cineform to remove pulldown. There is also several free methods too. You can read this page
Under question 11, you can read more about it. I use the free method hv20pulldown.exe to remove pulldown. It works well.