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You should seriously consider the adapter for regular cards.
Why would anyone bother with SxS at this point?
You don't need an extra card reader, just connect the camera with a computer by means of a USB connection and use Clip Browser to transfer the files to the PC. You also don't need SxS cards, use KxS for 10% of the price of SxS and the added flexibility of not needing an express card slot. It looks like you intentionally go about it the hard and expensive way.
This is getting totally confusing. Does anybody know where in Europe I can ghet those Kensington cards, what format they use, etc.?
A simple Google search is all it takes.In addition you need Sandisk Ultra II or Extreme III SDHC memory cards, either in 16 GB or 32 GB versions.
Which one do I need? It seems confusing.
On Ebay the product is much more expensive:
Which Kensington product do I need and how do I go from there to the PC? Are there exact names? Thank you.
You still need about 4 16gigabyte flash card to match a 60 Giga hard drive. Isn't the hard drive the better way to go?
What appeals more to you, a single 60 GB Sony HD for around 1K or four 16 GB Sandisk Ultra II cards for 40 each or 160 in total? The hard drive option is not only way more costly, but requires a separate battery at 260+ and adds significant weight and further imbalance to the camera. In addition the hard drive option does not support over or undercranking whereas Sandisk gives that option to a somewhat limited extend.
Jeez, juju, read what has been posted before and advised earlier, instead of trying to create more confusion or discussion.
Your computer's Express card slot should work just fine, if it has one. I have an older Dell Inspiron laptop (purchased '06) and use its Express card slot with my SxS cards all the time. Make sure to install the Sony Clip Browser software first. The USB transfer method also works well, but is slower.
Another SxS card alternative can be found at the site below. Unlike the discontinued Kensington cards, you can actually close the EX1 door over this card:
from da blogs! :)
jujufactory, your post is disingenuous. Hang around the DVinfo site for a few minutes and you might learn something about this camera. Everything you say above is simply untrue. Everything.
A couple of cautions about KxS alternatives:
No overcranking, due to limited write speeds.
Some reliability problems--do not use on paid projects--okay for hobby, experimentation, but risky to put your client's work at the mercy of this relatively untested media solution.
A firmware upgrade to 1.1 is required in order to read 'alternative' media. Cost of the upgrade is about US$100.
With media improving every year, we can expect a bright future for this, and perhaps a Sony update to make reading KxS impossible again. :-)
Sony makes you pay for the firmware upgrade? Wow!
A couple of clarifications about your post. Limited overcranking is possible (up to a certain frame rate) although the recommended practice is to use SxS for overcranking and KxS for everything else.
There have been reliability issues with some adapters as well as with some of the cheaper SDHC memory cards. The right combination of components yields a very reliable and predictable result. Moving away from that known quantity would likely get you in trouble. For instance, there are some issues with the new 32GB cards, so they are not recommended for serious work.
Yes, a firmware upgrade is required if it's an older unit, but new cameras would likely already have it. In the US, the upgrade does cost $100 and Sony recommends sending the camera to them to get it, but it is easy enough to find and install yourself for free.
Sure, Sony could make non SxS media unusable again with a future update, but I'll not be getting that one!
What if that update also contains other fixes you want?
What's the story with hard drives? The Hard drive needs an extra battery? Where?
On the back of the unit.
>What if that update also contains other fixes you want?
Sony is unlikely to remove 3rd party SDHC card capability with a future firmware upgrade. Can't say it won't happen, but the genie is already out of the bottle.
Could we just go through the moves? Correct me if I'm wrong but this is how it works:
You insert a SDHC card into a Kensington 7 in 1 adaptor card.
You insert the Kensington adaptor into the EX1 card slot.
When done filming, you remove the Kensington adaptor from the card slot and remove the SDHC card from the Kensington adaptor.
You insert the SDHC card into the computer card reader and upload the SDHC files onto your hard drive.
You then either convert the SDHC files into a Codec such as Prospect HD and use CS3 to edit.... or ... you open CS4 and start editing the SDHC files directly.
Is this correct?
And which of the following SDHC card would you recommend?
Don't you read replies? This has been answered extensively, either direct or with links.
"The card stays in the adapter which plugs directly into any recent laptop."
My experience is that computers don't read the SxS format (or any of the Kensington adapters) unless you buy the SxS car reader which costs 400 Euros. I went to a major computer store just two days ago and the salespeople did not even know what SxS was. I had to call a specialized video store to find the SxS card readers.
Proper drivers must be installed, but if you insist on having the reader, Sony will take your money.
SxS is an Express card. Almost every laptop has an express card slot.
I bought one of those for my PC:
Will it support SxS? If not what will?
Here's one that goes into your computer for 20 bucks. I've been using something like this for my P2 cards for years. Google expresscard instead of SxS.
That's a PCI card. I don't see myself getting on my knees everytime I want to insert a card. :)
Then set your computer where you can reach it.
All I did was give you a very inexpensive option.
Every time I I hook up a firewire or USB or flash drive or a flash card from a still camera I have to get to my computer.
Besides if you use USB to hook it up you will get slower data transfer. But it's up to you. You said in the first post you found an expensive one so maybe the extra cost doesn't matter to you.
Also the contraption from China you bought. # Supports CF, CF II, MD, MS, MS-PRO, MS-DUO, MS-PRO-DUO, MS-MG, MS-PRO-MG, MS-ROM, SD, MMC, MMCII, Mini-SD, RS-MMC, T-Flash and XD cards
Whats makes you think it supports SxS?
That PCI card reader is a really dumb design. Imagine having to choose between having access to your CD ROM or having access to your card reader (depending on which way you install your PC--backwards or forwards). And most of these require a full system reboot every time you exchange cards. Easier to plug camera into USB and copy files--quicker, too, once you consider the ergonomics..
just go here;
I bought two and they shipped within a week and I've been using them with SanDisk Ultra2 16gb cards without a hitch.
You can only shoot at frame rates between 24 - 30 fps progressive so if you need to over/under crank you have to put in your Sony SxS cards to do that. Otherwise, save hundreds of $$$ with this solution.
BTW, the KxS (Kensington) and DxS (Delkin)solutions are no longer available and were inferior anyway. This baby works!
> BTW, the KxS (Kensington) and DxS (Delkin)solutions are no longer available and were inferior anyway. This baby works!
Based on what? Why were they inferior? They are still available. The other babies are still alive AFAIK and in good health.
The Kensington is inferior because it does not allow the door protecting the SxS cards to close. Otherwise it works, but it's been discontinued AFAIK so the ones you might see are older stock. If one wishes to operate an EX1 or EX3 with the card door open, then the Kensington works, I have 2 of them but don't use them now that I have 2 MxS holders.
The Delkin did allow the door to close and worked fine, but was replaced by a newer Delkin version which didn't allow the door to close. A call to the Delkin customer service dept. revealed that there were plans to re-manufacture the first card holder but then that plan appears to have been scrapped.
This is why the MxS card holder is now the new kid on the block and is available and shipping at a very low cost even with international shipping charges back to the USA. Doubtless there will be more and more products similar to this available in the future so brand loyalty would probably be tied to price at that point.
Door closing issues with the Kensington only applies to the EX1, not the EX3. The Kensington allows closing the door on the EX3, no problem. Secondly, the Kensington is still available at various outlets. The Delkin that works is only the older version, not the newer one.
Good to have alternatives, but the Kensington at costs of around $ 22 to $ 26 apiece that has proven to work reliably and readily available at various outlets, being in stock at numerous addresses, does not make them inferior.
I have just received delivery of a Dell Inspiron with an Express Card slot. I bought it especially for this application, but the SxS cards won't stay in. The slot is the wider Express card size, but they are supposed to be able to receive the narrower (34mm?) ones too. However, the SxS card won't click in. The contacts connect but if I take my finger off the card literally flies out. Can anyone help?
I feel I've been misinformed somewhere along the way, especially as I checked the Sony EX-1 manual and it seems that the slot should work.
I've got an Inspiron 6400 and the Express Card slot works fine with my SxS cards. Perhaps call Dell technical support? You might have a damaged slot.