2 Replies Latest reply on Nov 30, 2008 8:19 AM by the_wine_snob

    problem encountered with Adobe premiere Element 4 et DVD sony Handicam

      I have a sony Handycam DCR/DVD203E . Window Vista edition familiale premium service pack 1 .Adobe Première Elements 4 .
      I take 10 rushes of 2 minutes each . I finalised the DVD for importing it on my computer under Adobe Elements 4 .
      When i do " add médias " , I only get two files , one called VTS_01_1.VOB which is the total of my 10 rushes but it's only one rush of 20 minutes .I get also an error message " C:\users\Videos\20081125\VIDEO_TS... FORMAT ERROR or file correupted/a component needed is may be not installed .
      I shoud get my 10 rushes of 2 minutes instead of one rush of 20 minutes film .
        • 1. Re: problem encountered with Adobe premiere Element 4 et DVD sony Handicam
          Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional
          I believe, when using Add Media from DVDs, you get one rush of 20 minutes instead of 10 rushes of 2 minutes.
          • 2. Re: problem encountered with Adobe premiere Element 4 et DVD sony Handicam
            the_wine_snob Level 9
            Just a few clarifications first. Rushes, are the quick (hence the name rush) optical prints made from cine negative film. Their intention is for viewing, quickly, the results of the previous day's filming. They are not color corrected, or manipulated in any way. They are also not edited, other than being spliced together, take after take, so the crew and decision-makers can see what was captured. These are usually discarded soon after selections are made and decisions are finalized. The original negatives are then cut in the editing process and, when complete, are printed to positive projection stock with color and density corrections. Now, the final output is more often some digital format for commercial distribution.

            What we have are 2 min. Clips, in digital capture parlance. However, lets go back a moment to the first paragraph. Just like the negative film stock, this Sony camera shoots to DVD. Just like cine negative, with an editing workflow, something else has to be done. Unlike the negative film stock, the DVD can actually be viewed in an optically correct, albeit unedited, format.

            The .VOB files on the DVD are part of the inherent file structure of that medium, the DVD-video and are made up of MPEG-2 (DVD-spec) compressed files with very specific criteria. Unfortunately, the aspects that go into creating an instantly viewable medium, add some problems to doing any editing with it - first there is the structure .VOB, next, the initial compression to MPEG-2. Neither is ideal, if one plans on using an NLE (Non-Linear Editing) workflow. The .VOB structure will have to be converted at some point, and the MPEG-2 compression will have to be decompressed into another format, and most likely, be re-compressed back to MPEG-2, if the final output will go to DVD. Substitute that second MPEG-2 re-compression with Flash, WMV, or whatever, should the intent be streaming media.

            Steve has addressed the problem head-on, which is a good way to tackle it. This is intended to just add a bit, to what he has already written, not to correct anything, or change anything.

            With the proliferation of more and more non-tape capture devices, i.e. cameras, on the market, one must make a conscious decision, as to what they will ultimately wish to do with the footage captured. While it CAN be edited, with certain limitations, it is first designed to be viewed in its raw form. It handles this last job well - just pop the DVD/mini-DVD into a player and view, or hook the camera directly to the TV (or through other devices attached to the TV) and view. Editing, however, becomes a bit more complex, and needs to be well-thought out, and planned for.

            The FAQs, at the top of these pages, go a long way to helping make informed decisions, come editing time. The compromises are outlined pretty well. Yes, there
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            be compromises, as the medium is not designed to be editable in the first place. It is a delivery/viewing medium. This should be a strong consideration, when shopping for a video, or still/video camera. What will I want to do with the material generated by that camera? Do I want to just record and view, or do I want to edit, before the final presentation of the material? If one is here, in the Adobe Premiere Elements (or Premiere Pro) forum, then it is likely that some editing is intended. If one has gone with a tape-based capture device, the editing path is clear - Capture, edit, Export. If one has gone with a HDD (hard drive), DVD, magnetic storage camera, decisions have to be made and some planning must go into the process of editing. Then is the time to learn the proper workflow (will differ dependant on the exact process of capture, that the device uses), and will pay dividends. Learning what compromises will have to be made and how best to keep these to a minimum, will be needed.

            The ease, with which these non-tape devices capture the footage, does not belie what lies ahead, should one wish to later edit. They seem so simple - shoot, then view. However, there the simplicity ends. It is later editing, that must be heavily contemplated. These forums, and especially the FAQs (remember, they are at the top of the main pages) are a good place to learn what comes next. The simplicity quickly peels away and a lot of new techniques need to be learned. As Dorothy commented, were not in Kansas anymore, Toto... If one wishes to get good results from the editing of this type of material, they need to be ready to learn. This might also be an instance, where learning by reading (first), is far preferable to learning by doing. It is far less frustrating. One also needs to be ready to dig deeply into their toolbox, which might well contain a lot of extra programs, to accomplish the task, in the best manner. Even for tape-based editing, one can never have enough tools in that toolbox, i.e. 3rd party utilities and programs.

            As an aside, I use PEs big brother, Premiere Pro, for my editing. However, I picked up PE as another tool in the process, as it does some things better than big brother does. Never be shy of using the right tools, even if it means that you have to go outside of PE and even Adobe.

            Hunt