14 Replies Latest reply on Feb 26, 2009 5:43 PM by ottonic

    Completely remove frames from finished movie.

      I am new to video editing, and Adobe Premiere Elements 7 in particular. My first movie project is a one clip movie with lots of frames. I cut 45 minutes of run time off the end of the this clip. However, when I burn the DVD the frames that I cut off is included in the movie. I have read the manuals, and searched this site but can find out what I am doing wrong.
      Appreciate any help.
      I am using a DELL XPS 400 computer with Windows XP PRO.
      James
        • 1. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
          Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional
          Can you describe how you trimmed this footage and what you see on your timeline?

          Can you post a screen capture of your timeline?
          • 2. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
            Level 1
            Thanks for your reply, Steve.

            I tried to follow instructions in the Help that say a clip can be
            clipped by dragging from either end. In my case I place the funny
            looking icon on the extreme of my clip and drag to the left until
            I reach where I want the clipping to stop. At this point all the
            unwanted frames are gone from the Timeline. I do a save and then
            move on to the Share section and burn to a DVD. When I play the
            DVD the entire movie clip, including the clipped frames are present.

            I was able to copy a picture of the end of Timeline after clipping
            but have to figure out how to get it posted on this forum.
            James
            • 3. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
              Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional
              E-mail your screen cap to me at steve at muvipix.com and I'll post it to this forum.

              It sounds like you're doing everything right, but it's hard to say without seeing it.
              • 4. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                the_wine_snob Level 9
                James,

                The statement "funny looking icon" makes me wonder if you are accidently using the Time Stretch, or other Tool. You should also be dragging from the "Head," or "Tail" of the Clip, to alter it in the Timeline. The Icon should look a bit like the
                b [
                with
                b ↔
                in the middle. This cursor is placed at the very beginning, or end, of the Clip to change its In & Out Points.

                When this is done to a Clip that is between others in the Timeline, your selected Clip will be shortened and all gaps will close up with the existing Clips. If you hold down Ctrl, while dragging, a gap will be formed between Clips and the rest will NOT move. (Just to opposite of how it works in Premiere Pro).

                Good luck,

                Hunt
                • 5. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                  Level 1
                  Thanks for your response, Hunt.
                  I am doing just what you and the book say to do. My project has
                  one clip that is over 2 hours long. I click on the selection tool
                  and then place the cursor at the very end of my clip and drag to
                  the left until I get to where I want to stop. During this time
                  the icon is just as you describe, a two headed arrow with a
                  red right bracket that has arms facing to the left.
                  All look good until I burn or save the movie for viewing; then the
                  clipped frames are included in the final movie.
                  James
                  • 6. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                    Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional
                    What type of file is that, James, and what kind of camcorder did it come from?
                    • 7. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                      Level 1
                      I think I misunderstood your original request for a screen shot
                      from my Timeline. What I sent you is a .jpg file that shows a
                      print screen' shot taken of the Timeline. As you can probably
                      see. I don't know anything about this video editing stuff.
                      The original input file was taken using a Canon ZR70 mini DV camera
                      in 2004. I am attempting to migrate the old movie files to DVD.
                      Let me know if there is a better way to get the Timeline frames
                      to you.
                      James
                      • 8. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                        Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional
                        I'll pick it up from my Muvipix mailbox when I get home tonight and post it then. Thanks, James.
                        • 9. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                          Level 1
                          Thanks Steve, I will look for your reply. In the meantime I am
                          going to see if the same thing happen when using different input
                          movie clip(s).
                          James
                          • 10. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                            the_wine_snob Level 9
                            James,

                            The files from Capture of the ZR70's tape, if you used PE, will be fully compliant DV-AVI files, unless it differs radically from my ZR-70MC. This blew a theroy that you might have had compressed MPG files, or other that are full I-frame. In your case, you have a "full frame" 29.97x/sec.

                            It *sounds* like you are doing it correctly. You are editing in the Timeline. You are using the Selection Tool, and getting what sounds like the proper cursor. You are dragging the "Tail" of your Clip to the left, to end it at the desired point.

                            Did you set In & Out Points in your Source Monitor?

                            As a test, move the CTI (the Current Time Indicator) along your Timeline, until it is over where you wish the Clip to end. Hit the "C" key to get the Razor. Position it at the point that the CTI is across your Clip, and click. This will "Cut" your Clip into two pieces (Audio & Video). You'll now have a long Clip, and then the short one at the end. Hit "V" to get back to your Selection Tool, and make sure that your smaller Clip is Selected. Hit Delete. It *should* disappear from your Timeline. Try your Export again. It *should* NOT include the material that you eliminated.

                            Note: your method *should* yield the same result. For some reason, it is not. If you can get what you want with another method, you can finish, and we can address why setting a new Out Point is not working for you.

                            Good luck,

                            Hunt
                            • 11. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                              Level 1
                              Thanks Hunt, I have tried the steps you outlined but the trimmed
                              frames still remained in the final movie.
                              After further digging I realize that my input file contain new
                              recording over some old footage on the DV tape. The old footage is
                              longer than the new recording. It is that old footage that extend
                              beyond the new recording that I am trying to discard. For some reason
                              PE see it as one long clip that cannot be cut and separated. I used
                              some different input files to populate the Timeline and did some
                              trimming, and then burned the results to DVD and the trimmed frames
                              was not included in the final movie. Therefore, my problem deal with
                              just this one file. I tried to import the original movie clip into
                              Windows movie maker and it won't even take it. I get an unspecified
                              error each time I try. I am just going to keep one of the DVDs I
                              have burned with all the frames, and drop the issue.
                              Thanks to all that has tried to help me with this problem.
                              If something come up during my studies that explain how I can
                              clip and delete frames and they still show up in the final movie
                              I will return and post an update.
                              James
                              • 12. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                                the_wine_snob Level 9
                                James,

                                I have never encountered, nor have I read of, such a problem. It IS odd behavior, to say the least.

                                As a workaround, can you recapture from your tape in PE? Unfortunately, others will have to give you specific instructions, as I use other Capture software. I *believe* that you can set Capture to "scene detect," and see if this alters things. Note: some Capture programs will create separate files for each "scene," while other will just Capture one long file, but will "break" that up into "virtual files," for editing. It is these virtual files, that appear as Clips in the program's Project Panel. Steve, or others can fill in the exact details for PE.

                                I would try the recapture, in hopes that it will get you editing. It will be interesting as to the exact cause of this anomaly.

                                Let us know how it goes and what you find out.

                                Good luck,

                                Hunt

                                PS, another possible workaround would be to Export as a DV-AVI file, and then bring that into another Project. Try to trim/delete the extraneous footage there. One additional step, but might get you back to editing.
                                • 13. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                                  Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional
                                  Here's James's screen cap.

                                  I'm afraid it doesn't tell us much though. (I was kind of hoping you'd post a screen cap of a bit more of the interface, so we could at least see things like the name of the clip, with its dot-suffix, and how it's listed in the media panel.)

                                  Although, if you're using a DV-AVI and you've got a red line above it on your timeline, that's often a sign that something isn't kosher somewhere.

                                  James, I think you should consider Hunt's suggestion. Doing a File/Export/Movie of your clip is a way to process it so that comes out a "pure" DV-AVI. Doing so will also import a copy into your media panel, so you can try replacing this clip with that new clip and see if you still get a red line above it.
                                  • 14. Re: Completely remove frames from finished movie.
                                    ottonic
                                    At the end of the movie where you want it to end, you need to click on "Add Menu Marker" then in that window, in the "Marker Type" drop-down list, choose "Stop Marker". Now when you preview your movie, when it hits that stop marker, it will stop. Also if you have a movie menu, and scene selections at the beginning, after it hits that stop marker it will automatically go back into your Movie menu just like the store bought movie DVDs you are used to watching. Also it is a good idea to ALWAYS preview your finished project to make sure it is right, that way you, can go back and fix what ever you need, (ie: movie keeps on going, even through the end part I cut out). It will also cut down on turning DVD disks into coasters.