11 Replies Latest reply on Apr 1, 2008 12:26 AM by (DenisVID)

    After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...

      Hi,

      I have a basic question about workflow between AE and PP.

      I'm editing an acting reel for a client which deals with a lot of different footage and bits and pieces here and there.

      We already converted all the footage to DV-AVI - tweaking, color correction and effects are done in AE.

      Here's the question that I'm thinking about:

      Should I work on all my footage in AE first and then import it into PP for editing OR should I edit everything the way I wanna have it and then import it into AE for the tweaking.

      Advantages for both options that come to my (newbie) mind:

      AE first then PP

      1. Final editing is done in PP which gives me flexibility if I wanna change things later editing wise
      2. PP exporting options are huge - don't know if AE can compare to that
      3. could import to PP via Dynamic link which saves me the hassle of exporting each little clip from AE to a lossless format - as mentioned we have lot's of different footage and little bits and pieces here and there

      PP first the AE

      1. if u apply a lot of effects, Dynamic link is a pain to scrub through the footage in PP because it takes so much time to render through the link - with exporting a final edited version from PP and then importing into AE would make things go a little bit smoother

      2. I would have more flexiblity if I wanna change any effects in AE

      What would u suggest ?

      Thanx for your help in advance !!

      Mike
        • 1. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
          Todd_Kopriva Level 8
          I think that you've identified the pros and cons pretty well yourself. You point out that you're making a decision between the ease of making editing changes later and the ease of making effects changes later. I'll leave it others to help you figure out which side of the line your work is on.

          There's one thing that you ask that I can give a definitive answer about:

          > PP exporting options are huge - don't know if AE can compare to that

          Yes, it can. After Effects and Premiere Pro both use the Adobe Media Encoder to encode many kinds of video, so the support for MPEG formats and other common video formats is essentially identical. Here are links to the sections of After Effects and Premiere Pro Help on the Web that list supported export formats:

          "File formats supported for export"

          "Supported output formats"
          • 2. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
            Mylenium Most Valuable Participant
            Usually one starts out with the rough cut in the editing suite. Only the basic effects and transitions are used, placeholders and dummy slates inserted. Once you have the timing right, you move on to compositing and flesh out the effects. All big movies are done pretty much this way and even for small productions it makes sense. The reson simply is that you want to avoid doing more work in AE than really necessary because of the footage handling and render times.

            Also some stuff may simply not be ready at the time of editing, but you will know how it fits into the film. When I e.g. do 3D-animation, we will leave blank spaces or insert a realtime-captured preview movie (playblast) from the 3D viewport. Only when the rendering is done will teh image sequences be inserted. The advantages are obvious - I know how long my animations need to be and our computers are no longer than necessary occupied with rendering.

            Surely you could turn this upside down, but I recommend to follow similar procedures. Much more than anything else, getting the rhythm of a clip right is the decisive factor. You can doctor up the most beautiful effects in AE and do this forever, but it is an lost effort if the rest of the stuff isn't edited neatly and the film simply doesn't "work". The point here is "to have a plan" and a guideline to prevent overextending the production volume and thus the cost. If you have no storyboard, than the edit becomes your anchor in a sea of creative possibilities.

            Don't misunderstand me - a little touch-up post facto cannot be ruled out givven the undecided nature of some clients, but you should make it a point to have the edit finalized before doing all the intense work.

            Mylenium
            • 3. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
              Level 1
              Mylenium,

              thanx for your advice - I really appreciate it !

              How would you transfer the edited movie from PP to AE ?

              Via Dynamic Link or exporting from PP to a lossless format ?

              If the latter, what lossless format would u suggest ?

              Thanx again for your help !

              Mike
              • 4. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
                David Wigforss-Hv1BNN Level 2
                Never used Dynamic Link (don't use Premiere).

                If you need audio, use QT:Animation (it's lossless). If you don't need audio, I use TGA w/ RLE compression (also lossless). Both formats support alpha channels.
                • 5. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
                  Level 1
                  David,

                  thanx for your input !

                  I forgot to mention, the reason why I was thinking about doing AE first and then PP is, is that all of our footage needs to be tweaked in AE.

                  So if I edit everything in PP first, then export to a lossless format, then import and start tweaking the footage in AE - how can I tweak footage properly that fades-in ?

                  On some points we definitely gonna have longer transition, fade-ins etc..

                  If I have the (lossless) output movie from PP I can't tweak the footage that is aleady 'waiting' behind the fade-in transition...

                  I see two options to this:

                  a. wait till the footage has faded in, which means having partially bad and un-retouched footage in my movie, or...

                  b. use Dynamic Link to bring in the PP project into AE - then I just need to hope that all transitions and effects I applied in PP are available in AE

                  That was one of my main reasons why I thought about doing AE first and then bring in all the tweaked footage into PP.

                  What would you suggest ?

                  Thanx again for your help.

                  Mike
                  • 6. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
                    David Wigforss-Hv1BNN Level 2
                    Even without Dynamic Link, I think you can edit your footage in Premiere and import that project into AE. That should hopefully work; do a test...

                    I dunno if things have improved, but when I did that YEARS ago, I noticed all my transitions were jacked.. Like 1 frame too long, so all the footage overlapped and messed up all my edits.. Maybe things have improved..
                    • 7. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
                      Mylenium Most Valuable Participant
                      As already stated, you can import Premiere projects directly into AE. Simple transitions for crossfades and flash to white will be translated, but more elaborate stuff of course not. That should be no problem, since, as I was suggesting, the point of a rough edit is not to finesse everything, but just get the timing right. Therefore keeping things simple is crucial. You are going to need the extra frames for the transition anyway and working with hard cuts will work best - the layers will be trimmed in AE, but there for you to extend at any time.

                      Mylenium
                      • 8. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
                        Level 1
                        Mylenium,

                        thanx again for your input.

                        Reading your posts - and PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong - it seems like the workflow would be:

                        1. PP for rough cut, then
                        2. AE for tweaking
                        3. back to PP for the final cut, export etc., since AE does not have the editing tools needed (transitions etc.)

                        But, as I did some testing the last two hours it is almost impossible getting PP projects into AE.

                        I read the manual and tried the following:

                        a. importing a PP project file into AE via the Import --> File dialog.

                        I specified only one PP sequence to be imported - it did import all of the footage of the PP project (including the footage that is not needed) and it imported 3 (not one) sequences, including the one I specified.

                        Besides that, the sequence is unusable - the in & out points of the footage are totally wrong - the transition I applied (dip-to-black) was unavailable.

                        I re-tried it without transitions but the in & out points of the footage are absolutely wrong.

                        The sequence deals with two different clips - both used 3 times in the sequence - and the first clip is okay in AE, but the second clip always (at all three points) starts from the start of the original footage.

                        b. I tried to copy & paste footage from the PP timeline to the AE timeline - which did not work.
                        As described in the manual, I did save that AE project and I did select the timeline in AE. I tried it through Edit --> Paste (which was unavailable), as well as through Ctrl+V. Did not work.

                        It seems to me like Dynamic Link is a One-Way-Street, it does work from AE to PP but not the other way around, at least not usable.

                        I had a thread about this a couple of weeks ago and other users experienced the same results.

                        I'm thinking about doing the rough cut in AE, the limited editing tools from AE should be okay...

                        Mike
                        • 9. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
                          Level 1
                          Tracked the Dynamic Link problem down to two sequences that just won't import properly from PP into AE.

                          I tested 18 sequences so far - 16 worked.

                          Mike
                          • 10. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
                            Jonas Hummelstrand Level 2
                            i http://generalspecialist.com/2007/02/troubleshooting-after-effects-7.asp

                            Please file a bug report, there's a link at the bottom of the blog post.

                            - Jonas Hummelstrand
                            http://generalspecialist.com/
                            • 11. Re: After Effects - Premiere Pro workflow question...
                              The sequence deals with two different clips - both used 3 times in the sequence - and the first clip is okay in AE, but the second clip always (at all three points) starts from the start of the original footage.

                              Please help !! A have the same problem!