10 Replies Latest reply on Jun 27, 2008 3:15 PM by (shadowboxer)

    Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong

      I have AE CS3 on an Intel 8. Would like to use Clip Notes for low-rez approvals, but when I render a Quicktime movie in 3 x 4 aspect ratio (like most video) when I open the pdf in Acrobat Reader 8.1.2, it stretches it to 16 x 9. Checked all the preferences and view options and can't find anything to change it. Searched through the render options in AE, and can't find anything in there either. Tried the NTSC presets, tried using Stretch, nothing makes any difference.

      Also, the audio sounds very bad. I've seen demos of Clip Notes that looked great, but demos usually do.

      Please help. I'd like to use this potentially great feature.

      RD
        • 1. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
          Jonas Hummelstrand Level 2
          Sounds like your composition is set to a 16:9 Pixel-Aspect Ratio, but you haven't enabled the "Toggle Pixel Aspect Ratio Correction" button at the bottom of the Composition panel. That way you really have a 16:9 composition with non-square pixels, but you aren't stretching those pixels. Hard to explain, but check your Comp settings and report back what they are set to.

          PAR:
          i http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/AfterEffects/8.0/WS3878526689cb91655866c1103906c6dea-7f3a .html

          - Jonas Hummelstrand
          http://generalspecialist.com/
          • 2. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
            Level 1
            Nope, that is not it. My composition is 720 x 486, NTSC-D1 square pixels. What I ended up doing as a work-around, I nested it in a NTSC widescreen comp, scaled to 90% so it fits with black bars on the left and right. In the render queue output module, selected the widescreen preset for Clip Notes. Now in Acrobat, it looks pretty good, but the audio is really screwed up. The music sounds like it's doing a continuous phase shift. And it's real tinny. I tried rendering at 48 hz, 44, stereo, mono, and so far it made no difference. Any ideas on how to fix it?

            It would be nice if Clip Notes let you have a standard 4 x 3 Quicktime, but I don't think that is possible. Have you ever done it?

            Thanks.
            • 3. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
              Mylenium Most Valuable Participant
              I'm not sure, but there have been various bugs on Clip Notes and Acrobats video embedding capabilities in general. Might be one of those...

              Mylenium
              • 4. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
                Jonas Hummelstrand Level 2
                i "720 x 486, NTSC-D1 square pixels"

                That's NOT a square-pixel resolution. With 720x486, that's either a pixel-aspect ratio of 1:0.9 for 4:3 or 1:1.2 for 16:9.

                - Jonas Hummelstrand
                http://generalspecialist.com/
                • 5. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
                  Mylenium Most Valuable Participant
                  Now that you mention it, Jonas... Should have read more thouroughly. ;-)

                  Mylenium
                  • 6. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
                    Level 1
                    Sorry, that was a typo. Since then I've done more tests. The default size ClipNotes wants for regular video is 640 x 480. But when I render it that way in AE-CS3, and open the PDF in Acrobat 8.1.2, it gets stretched to widescreen. There seems to be no way to control this. So then I go back, nest the 640 x 480 in a comp that is 854 x 480, which is the default size ClipNotes specifies, and render it with black pillars on the sides. When I open this PDF, it looks correct and not stretched. I can live with the black pillars until they fix this.

                    BUT, the fatal flaw is, the audio. It sounds terrible, like the music is doing a constant phase-shifter effect. I tried it at 48 and 44 kHz, and made sure the settings matched in the output module and the ClipNotes audio settings, and it made no difference.

                    Thanks for your thoughts on this, but do people from Adobe ever read these posts? I have read several posts about this audio problem here and on Creative Cow. I hope they fix it or tell me what to do soon. Try it with a clip that has music, and you will immediately see what I am talking about.
                    • 7. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
                      Jonas Hummelstrand Level 2
                      This is a "user-to-user" forum, even though it is sometimes read by Adobe employees.

                      If you have found a bug, please report it at:
                      i http://adobe.com/go/wish/

                      - Jonas Hummelstrand
                      http://generalspecialist.com/
                      • 8. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
                        I have the same issue - not the audio. I would like to use Clip Notes for members of my creative team but the creative director notices the animation is "stretched". The Clip Notes dialog indicates that it will set it to 640x480. Is there a way to override this? I have a standard D1 comp I want to distribute for comments. Any thoughts?

                        I am also using AE CS3 on an Intel MAC

                        Thanks
                        • 9. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
                          Level 1
                          Since I do all my work in After Effects, I was able to fix this stretching problem, by nesting my 4x3 video composition into a widescreen sized comp, letting the side pillars be black, and re-rendering it at the widescreen size.

                          I don't know what program you are using, but the only way I've figured out to work around this major problem with Clip Notes, is rendering at a widescreen size. This extra effort makes it NOT worth the trouble for me, especially since the audio still sounds horrible.

                          I wonder how you got good audio?

                          Good luck.
                          • 10. Re: Clip Notes aspect ratio wrong
                            Level 1
                            Well, this project doesn't include audio. Your workaround makes sense - I'll try it next week.

                            Another project that did include audio sounded fine. I used an .mp3 file for some ambient background music for an underwater animation. Let me check the details and get back with you...