8 Replies Latest reply: Jul 7, 2008 5:05 AM by Neil Wilkes RSS

    Scenarist and Stills

    Community Member
      Hi,

      I am an After Effects production artist at a company that uses Scenarist for final authoring. We have found that there is a slight shift in color between encoded .mov files and .tif files. Because the files are abutted (the last frame of the video is identical to the TIF), this causes an unacceptable glitch when the movie ends and we go to the menu.

      Our workflow up until now has been to render out to AVI using the etymonix codec for the files that have to match the TIFs perfectly. Ideally, we would like to be rendering everything to .mov Currently we use J-PEG compression. I have heard that they have tested other compressors as well.

      Has anyone heard of this or have any ideas of how to solve this?

      - Jen
        • 1. Re: Scenarist and Stills
          John T Smith CommunityMVP
          >After Effects production artist

          Ah... wouldn't that be a question for the After Effects forum?

          http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.ee6b2fe/
          • 2. Re: Scenarist and Stills
            Community Member
            Absolutely not. The issue does not appear until after encoding.
            Upon further research here, I have found that the encoder they are using is Cinemacraft. The theory they have after all their testing over a year ago is that the color shift is caused in how the encoder brings each type of file into the proper color space.

            I am thinking of a few tests... AE7 can outputs TIFs with more colors than AE 6.5.
            • 3. Re: Scenarist and Stills
              John T Smith CommunityMVP
              >issue does not appear until after encoding... encoder they are using is Cinemacraft

              Ok... whatever... I still don't see any mention of Encore in this, other than I presume you are using Encore to take those Cinemacraft files to create a DVD

              Anyway, since I don't use either AE or Cinemacraft, I'll drop out of this discussion in favor of someone who does use those products in the fashion you describe
              • 4. Re: Scenarist and Stills
                Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP
                Although "DVD Authoring" sounds general enough, this is the lounge. Technical questions are not allowed here. :)

                Pull up a chair, have a beer and relax. You can even use my cell phone to call up Sonic support and/or Cinemacraft support to see if they can help with your issue. But the rest of us here are "off-duty".

                -Jeff

                PS - Things to check: 16-bit vs. 8-bit video and tiffs; any embedded color profiles in the tiffs. If you've already checked all of that, then my cell offer stands. Please remember to plug it back into the charger behind the couch when you are done. I need it for my kids' football practice tonight.
                • 5. Re: Scenarist and Stills
                  Community Member
                  Ahh, you guys were serious when you mean "Lounge"! OK, on my way. Thanks for the PS and the use of your cell phone.

                  :)

                  - Jen
                  • 6. Re: Scenarist and Stills
                    Bill Hunt CommunityMVP
                    Jeff,

                    Shooting the kid's football practice with the cellphone camera again? You know that those files will not Import into Premiere, don't you... ?

                    Hunt

                    PS, I'm still sellin' books for you. Hope you get residuals! If I had not gotten MORE than my $ worth already, I'd be asking for commission. Also seems like you're needed for a new one now. Afterall, what's a life, family, and the like?
                    • 7. Re: Scenarist and Stills
                      Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP
                      I do appreciate the plugs, Hunt. In an ironic development, I'm selling more copies of the book now that CS3 is out than I ever did when only version 2 existed.

                      I chalk that up to Encore being included with Premiere...and to your sales pitches. :)

                      I'm really glad you found the info useful. It was much more a labor of love than a profit-minded endeavor. Although the recent boost in sales is nice. So I've got that going for me.

                      (Anybody seen the Dali Lama?)
                      • 8. Re: Scenarist and Stills
                        Neil Wilkes CommunityMVP
                        >Ahh, you guys were serious when you mean "Lounge"! OK, on my way. Thanks for the PS and the use of your cell phone.

                        I don't know - what can it hurt to have non-encore related tech discussions here?
                        I know I don't mind - I may even learn something useful.
                        (I always thought the lounge was for non-encore related stuff anyway)

                        As far as the question goes.
                        The simplest solution we have found for this is to create the TIFF file from the final frame of the AE composition. Seems to work just fine.