3 Replies Latest reply on May 3, 2009 9:07 PM by Dlanor52

    Advice on What/What Not To Buy


      Hi Forum,


      I am new to Adobe Photoshop.  I downloaded a trial version of PSE7 two weeks ago and downloaded a trial version of Premiere Elements 7 (PRE) last night.  I use a HP Pavilion Laptop 1.66 GHz Intel R Core TM 2 CPU w 2 GB of RAM.  I also have a Dell Dimension DIM4700 Desktop Pentium (R) 4CPU 3.40 GHz w 1.00 GB RAM.  I am thinking about expanding the RAM on the Dell Desktop to 2 or 4 GB as needed.  I don't plan on shifting to Apple at this time, in spite of what my semi-pro, "imagist" friend recommends.



      Both Photoshop trial versions are loaded on my HP Laptop.  I am running Internet Explorer 8 in compatibility mode on both computers.


      I am an inexperienced user of photo editing software.  I have a "trunk full" of old photo prints that I will be sorting/scanning in the next year or two.  I also have about 3000 electronic images that I am or will be working.  I am currently working some family reunion slideshows and mother's/father's day projects.  I have used PowerPoint extensively and have done about 20 minor projects using Windows Movie Maker 2 [which by the way works pretty good -with my novice skills].



      I also have a JVC digital video camera w 16X optical zoom.  I have shot about 1 hr of video with it, but I will be shooting much more in the near future (reunions, vacations, holidays etc.).  I expect to create video family history projects for my 3 sons and 1 daughter and numerous grandchildren with another grandson due in May.



      With that said, I have a few questions.  (Note: I am educated enough to feel comfortable asking "stupid questions" so don't be too surprised!)



      Question 1:     Must we have PSE7 installed in order to use PRE?


      (Note: I am frugal by nature and don't like buying things "just-to-impress" or simply because the manufacturer advises.  Conversely, my wife is a QVC addict and one of their original customers, so I don't get a chance to buy much anyway. Other than improved sound and movie capabilities, I don't quite understand the needs/advantages of PRE over PSE7.  I have dropped a few hints to the wife about a digital SLR camera for my birthday.  I would rather have a quality, 12 Mega Pix camera right now than more computer software/equipment.)



      Question 2:     Does PRE run slower that PSE7?  I wonder if the HP laptop is suited for PRE.  PSE7 runs fine on my laptop, but PRE is slow to boot, and it is much slower handing projects.  PRE tends to hang up on my laptop.



      Question 3:     Should I upgrade RAM on the Desktop to 2 or 4 GB? (Especially when I start making movie projects with the digital video camera.)


      (Note:  I am willing to consider buying a more powerful computer if necessary, but it will take a lot of convincing.  I don't want to struggle with the whole PC vs Apple thang.  I would rather focus on photo editing, and not have to redo all of my other computer stuff.  I loaded the Photoshop trials on my laptop, but when I buy the product, I will put them on my desktop computer.)



      Question 4:     How useful is Adobe Photoshop support?  Is the support outsourced or domestic?



      Question 5:     Is there any way to remove the "Created with Adobe Premiere Elements 7 trial version" watermark?  Is this watermark the kind of stuff I can expect from Adobe?


      (Note: the PSE7 trial version does not use this absurd watermark.  I don't know if PRE is advertising, trying to "protect" their product from unauthorized use, or simply trying to "irritate" trial version users into buying the software.  Either way, this watermark is a HUGE negative for me.  It is plastered right smack in the center of the images.  They could have placed it in the corner or at the top or bottom of the image.  I would rather buy the product upfront and have the ability to return it with a full refund within an established duration, like 30 days, than use butchered, trial products like PRE.  They made a BIG mistake with this watermark! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING ADOBE!)

        • 1. Re: Advice on What/What Not To Buy
          the_wine_snob Level 9

          Some of your questions would be better asked in the Photoshop Elements   forum. The answers will go into much more detail, but I'll quickly hit the high points.


          1.) No, but they do interface well. Not sure how well, if one buys them separately, rather than in a "bundle," but would assume perfectly.


          2.) Your laptop is greatly underpowered to run almost any NLE (Non Linear Editor). I am surprised that PSE runs well on it. Now, I use Photoshop (the full version) professionally, and I've moved up by four complete systems, than your laptop to run it quickly for the files that I work on.


          3.) On the desktop, 4GB will be better than 2GB for both applications. Now, you'll only get full use of ~3.2GB of the physical RAM, without some "tricks," on a 32-bit OS (Operating System). BTW, neither program is 64-bit capable, but *should* run well on either a 32-bit OS, or on Vista-64. Note, with a full 64-bit OS, you'll likely want 8GB RAM, because the OS requires more just to function well.


          4.) Photoshop Support is on a payment basis. Only installation issues are for free. It is likely that most of the TS is out-sourced to India. Much better TS in these fora. Not instant, but it seems that telephone/e-mail TS is not even close to instant either.


          5.) Yes, purchase and register your software. Note: this will remove the watermark at the Project level. If you have already Exported from PE, there is nothing that can be done, except to buy, register and re-Export. Watermarking trial software is very common. Some people would only get the trial, output their Project and then wait until needed again and get the trial once more. This is especially true of the plug-in trials from companies like Red Giant, ProDAD and similar. Some people would gather up all of their video, get the 30-day trial and edit night and day to complete their DVD's only to abandon the software, once the work was done. Adobe is not in the business of helping people get around buying their software.


          Good luck, and for more detailed answers on PSE, see the link above.



          [Edit] Have to admit that I had gotten lost. I thought that I was in the PrPro forum, and advised the OP to post this to the PE & PSE fora. Duh! He/she had done just that!!!! Sorry for loosing my place. I need a better roadmap...

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          • 2. Re: Advice on What/What Not To Buy
            Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

            And dont' forget that a key piece of hardware in this equation is your camcorder.


            You say you have a JVC camcorder, but you don't say which format it records to.


            Tape-based video (miniDV and HDV) are the ideal formats for interfacing with this program.


            JVC Everios produce a video format that's notoriously difficult for many video editors to work with.

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            • 3. Re: Advice on What/What Not To Buy
              Dlanor52 Level 1

              I upgraded the RAM on my desktop to 4 Gb.  I also ordered the PSE and PRE -should be delivered in the next two days.  Thanks for all your responses. They were very helpful.