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    Using Bridge over a network with others

    caberman Level 1

      Would Bridge be a good solution to set up photo library over a network that can be updated and modified with everyone on the network?

        • 1. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
          RobPotter Level 1

          I am curious about this too. I work in an office where everyone pulls photos from a shared drive. Ideally we'd all be able to search the collection by metadata keywords from our own macs but I'm finding that only the machine that authored the metadata keywords is able to locate/retrieve said files. Am I missing something?

          • 2. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
            Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

            Bridge is just a file browser, not a robust DAM (digital asset manager).

             

            It uses the same structure as the Finder.  If metadata is kept in the central cache rather than written to distributed folders along with the image files, only the local machine will see it.

             

            If a server or a removable disk is involved, Bridge will know nothing of the existence of the files when the server is not online or when the removable drive is disconnected.

            • 3. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
              caberman Level 1

              I just started researching this and have yet to find if Bridge is the right software for the job. Maybe if you could somehow export your setting and data to a file that people could access along with the photo library it would work.

               

              Have you looked into any other options besides Bridge fior this task?

              • 4. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                RobPotter Level 1

                I've added specific keywords to a photo on the network using my 

                version of Bridge and as a test moved the pic to the desktop of a 

                coworker's machine. When I do a 'file-info' on it, the keywords are 

                listed - so they are indeed a part of the file. Problem is, her 

                version of Bridge isn't able to recognize them. I figured that if her 

                mac can read the metadata keywords, why can't her copy of Bridge?

                • 5. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                  caberman Level 1

                  I am not sure why her version of Bridge would not work. I did test changing labels and keywords with another person over the network and the changes are also reflected on his machine.

                  • 6. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                    Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                    Check the settings in Bridge preferences as per the above:

                     

                    If metadata is kept in the central cache rather than written to distributed folders along with the image files, only the local machine will see it.

                    • 8. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                      RobPotter Level 1

                      What setting do I need to engage? I've tried pointing multiple copies 

                      of bridge throughout the office to a central cache folder on the 

                      shared drive but they still won't recognize keywords that were 

                      authored/revised by other users.

                      • 9. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                        caberman Level 1

                        I am using photos that are on the server and then applying keywords to them over the network. Keywords are never modified locally and then saved back to the server.

                         

                        I am using the default settings also.

                        • 10. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                          Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                          RobPotter wrote:

                          I've tried pointing multiple copies 

                          of bridge throughout the office to a central cache folder on the 

                          shared drive but they still won't recognize keywords that were 

                          authored/revised by other users.

                           

                           

                          Yikes!   I'm not surprised that doesn't work!

                           

                          Sorry, I have to leave immediately and don't have time to elaborate.  Will reply much later tonight.

                           

                          In the mean time, I'll just insert some boilerplate text in the following message.

                          • 11. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                            Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                            This is the boilerplate text I use in connection to saving to a network (please NOTE the part where it explains that normally, it does work, but that it is impossible to troubleshoot someone else's network remotely, and that's why it's not supported by Adobe):

                            If you are opening files over a network or saving them to a network server, please cease and desist immediately in the event you are currently experiencing problems with one or more files. Working across a network is not supported.


                            See: 

                            http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/322391.html

                              Copy the CLOSED file from your server to your local hard disk, work on it, save it again to your local hard disk, close it, and copy the closed file back to the server.
                             
                                 Of course, the fact that Adobe does not support working across a network does not necessarily mean it won't work.   It should.

                                Adobe's position is that there are too many variables in a network environment for them to guarantee that everything will work correctly in every network, especially given the fact that if something does not work properly, it's probably the network's fault, and Adobe has no way of troubleshooting your network.

                              If you can't work locally, you are on your own, and if something happens, you're on your own. If you must work from a server, make sure your network administrator is a competent professional.

                            When problems arise, a lot of valuable work can be lost.

                            • 12. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                              Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                              McPhotoman,

                               

                              Your post is totally blank, as is the case with most messages sent to the forum by email.

                              • 13. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                J McWilliams Level 4

                                EEeeewww. Sorry. I shall not E-mail any forum again.

                                • 14. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                  Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                                  This thing with blank email posts is unique to this lousy Jive software that "powers" these Adobe forums. 

                                  • 15. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                    Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                                    RobPotter wrote:


                                    …I've tried pointing multiple copies 

                                    of bridge throughout the office to a central cache folder on the 

                                    shared drive but they still won't recognize keywords that were 

                                    authored/revised by other users.

                                     

                                    Rob,

                                     

                                    As I mentioned earlier that will not work.

                                     

                                    Bridge needs to find the cache:

                                     

                                    • either in the Central Cache kept on the boot volume of each machine running the application,

                                     

                                    • or in each of the folders that contain the individual images.

                                     

                                    For the latter, set your Bridge preferences to "use distributed folders when possible":

                                     

                                    Bridge_CS4_cache_prefs_2.jpg

                                     

                                     

                                    These settings are for CS4 and are similar in CS3.  However, if you're on CS3, all bets are off.  Bridge 2.x in CS3 was a dog that should have been fixed for free by Adobe, but it wasn't.  Cache management is the Achilles heel of the application.  Fortunately, CS4 is much better.

                                    • 16. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                      RobPotter Level 1

                                      Thanks Ramon

                                       

                                      I figured my shared-cache idea was half-baked. As for versions, a few of us are using CS3, a few others CS2. I reverted to the default settings on my version of Bridge (CS3), added a test keyword ('dude') to a photo on the network and opened Bridge (CS2) on the mac in the cubicle next to me to search the same volume for that keyword. No luck. BUT - I found that after moving a copy of the photo from the network to the desktop of that mac, it's Bridge CS2 did indeed return the proper result using the 'dude' keyword search. By the sound of your post, relying on CS3-CS2 interaction might be a bit of a pipe dream.

                                       

                                      The bossman is seriously considering CS4 - this will add some fuel to the fire.

                                      • 17. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                        Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                                        RobPotter wrote:

                                         

                                        Thanks Ramon

                                         

                                        As for versions, a few of us are using CS3, a few others CS2.

                                         


                                        Good grief!  That's just insane.

                                         

                                        The cache files are entirely separate and different in the various versions.  CS4 will not see the cache files from previous versions and will need to build its own cache files, which wll NOT be seen (let alone recognized) by previous versions.  CS3 is in the same situation:  it will not recognize the cache files from previous versions and vice versa. Same applies to CS2 cache files.

                                         

                                        The idea of having different versions on different machine recognize the cache files from other versions, wherever they may reside, is absolutely undoable.

                                         

                                        == == ==

                                         

                                        Now, Bridge 2.x in CS3 was an absolute dog.  It should have been fixed for free by Adobe, but, shamefully, it was not.  Abysmally poor cache management is the Achilles heel of the application.  Fortunately Bridge 3.x in CS4 is much better.

                                         

                                        At least make sure you are running Bridge 2.1.1.9.  Earlier versions were lethal, known not only to damage files but even to disappear some of them.

                                        • 18. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                          Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                                          RobPotter wrote:

                                           

                                          BUT - I found that after moving a copy of the photo from the network to the desktop of that mac, it's Bridge CS2 did indeed return the proper result using the 'dude' keyword search.

                                           

                                           

                                          Sure, because at that point, "that" local Mac built its own local cache file (appropriate for the version running on that particular local machine) for the folder where the new file landed!

                                          • 19. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                            Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                                            Just to make sure you understand the incompatibility of cache files between Bridge versions, imagine you have both CS3 and CS4 on a stand-alone machine, not connected to any network.

                                             

                                            You look at some files in a folder with Bridge CS3, and a Bridge CS3 cache file is created in the folder.  Then you quit Bridge CS3 and look at the same files with Bridge CS4.  A new, independent Bridge CS4 cache file will be instantly created in the same folder without disturbing the pre-existing cache file, without any interference between the two.

                                             

                                            In addition, understand that the cache files of earlier versions are visible, those from the later versions will be invisible to you.

                                            • 20. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                              RobPotter Level 1

                                              Got it. Thanks for taking the time here Ramon - you've been extremely helpful.

                                              • 21. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                                                You're most welcome, Rob. 

                                                • 22. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                  Image Archivist Level 1

                                                  Ramon - thanks so much for explainging what Adobe should have made common knowledge. I can't begin to tell you the number of man-hours spent struggling with trying to share a centralized library of images across a local network using Bridge (CS3 and CS4).

                                                   

                                                  We just threw the centralized cache out yesterday due to bizarre behavior and now I know why. Thanks!

                                                   

                                                  But Bridge is still our image browser of choice so here's my next step:

                                                   

                                                  I plan to replicate the existing image library (434 gigs/107k+ images), and dump them all in one folder and on our 2-tbyte mirrored RAID drive.

                                                   

                                                  I will then arrange is so that each copy of Bridge in our network indexes this one huge folder fully the first time.

                                                   

                                                  My assumption is that every time I update the library (which is almost every day) with new images or modified metadata, then whenever one of the designers goes to the library to search, their copy of Bridge should automatically and quietly update in the background, right?

                                                   

                                                  Thanks again,

                                                   

                                                  Steve

                                                  • 23. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                    Ramón G Castañeda Level 4

                                                    Steve,

                                                     

                                                    You're treading entirely new ground there.  Proceed with caution.

                                                     

                                                    In addition, recent comments by Bridge engineers indicate that the Central Cache is always on, even when you're set to distributed folders.  This has far-reaching implications I haven't though through yet.

                                                    • 24. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                      RobPotter Level 1

                                                      Steve

                                                       

                                                      Post the reults of your test to this forum. If it works for you I'd set like to implement that setup here in our office. (sounds like we have the same common goal)

                                                       

                                                      Thanks!

                                                      • 25. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                        imagearchivist Level 1

                                                        I have posted my last two battery of tests as well as a lengthy discussion of conclusions on my blog at: http://imagearchivist.blogspot.com/

                                                         

                                                        While Bridge is not the best tool of choice for maintaining a (large) library of image files to share among multiple users, I believe it can be done -- but with qualifications -- which I also note on my blog as well.

                                                         

                                                        In our department it's important that designers and editors have quick, easy and direct access to the hi-rez images themselves so working offline isn't necessarily important. Also, a cataloging program not only requires additional capital expenditures but represents a fairly serious learning curve as well. In our case a full-blown digital asset management program is in the works for sometime during the coming fiscal year so this is a stop-gap measure only.

                                                         

                                                        Any feedback on my tests or preliminary finds and conclusions would be most welcome.

                                                        RobPotter wrote:

                                                         

                                                        Steve

                                                         

                                                        Post the reults of your test to this forum. If it works for you I'd set like to implement that setup here in our office. (sounds like we have the same common goal)

                                                         

                                                        Thanks!

                                                        • 26. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                          Image Archivist Level 1

                                                          I believe that using Bridge to share image files on a network is possible. In fact, we're just about ready to golive with our image library on a network -- using Bridge as the browser.

                                                           

                                                          Here's what I've discovered over the past sevral weeks of testing:


                                                          As Ramon correctly points out on this forum trying to share a centralized cache is indeed insane. But, as it turns out, it appears that one share cache files across multiple computers; providing these are Macs using CS4 of course. This is not the bext alternative but short of going with a cataloging system -- not always an choice for some organzations -- this is perhaps the only option available.

                                                           

                                                          2. I indexed our image library on my laptop, which took the better part of a day. Organizationally it consists of 56 folders, containing some 104,000 images for more than 434 gigabytes of space.


                                                          3. I then copied the cache (and all files) to an external hard drive.
                                                          What I copied was on the following path: user>library>caches>Adobe?Bridge CS4>Cache

                                                           

                                                          4. I then went to a second computer -- networked to connect to the central image library drive --  and before launching Bridge I deleted the old cache file, and then copied the new cache file to the second computer. I then launched Bridge, navigated to the image library in the folders panel, clicked on several folders. One-by-one all the thumbs and previews loaded quickly and the metadata was right there as well, allowing for fairly quick and easy searching. And for us "searchability" is the KEY to having a central image library

                                                           

                                                          5. To add mages -- and here's where ity gets a bit klunky -- I intend to add subsequent folders as new images come in to be catalogued. I will then inform the designers that a new folder has been uloaded to the library -- they already have the path -- and that they will need to index that folder to make the images "searchable.

                                                           

                                                          Hopefully this will work on all our designers' machines as well. I'll know more by the end of next week.

                                                           

                                                          BUT, there are a couple of things to consider:

                                                           

                                                          1. Once a folder is indexed it cannot be moved nor can any of the files inside that folder be moved or manipulated in any way. For example, if you returned to a file to add additional metadata, then each user would have to reindex that particular folder on their local copy of Bridge. Having said that, it's not terribly difficult or challenging. In our case, since the image library is permanent once these folders are indexed and "accessed" on each machine that's it. It's the initial indexing that can take so much time.

                                                           

                                                          2. Make sure that permissions are in place before you golive. In our situation just me and my director have read/write permissions. All others have read only. This allows anyone to pull an image out of the library and use it as they see fit once the copy is on their desktop of course. They simply cannot make any changes, additions or alternations in the existing folders and files ON THE LIBRARY DRIVE.

                                                           

                                                          That's it for the moment.

                                                           

                                                          Stay tuned.

                                                          • 27. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                            Jd_Johnson8 Level 1

                                                            All,

                                                             

                                                            This thread has been very helpful to me today.  i did not realize when i discovered Bridge that it would have limitations across a network, which was the main purpose for wanting to use it.

                                                             

                                                            Steve (Image Archivist)

                                                             

                                                            While all of the information here has been very helpful as we are needing to do the same thing you are, i am not clear on how you get Bridge to "Index".  i don't see any menu in Bridge for that.  Is deleting the Cache file that is already there and then simply opening up each folder sufficient? Or is there something else that I am missing?

                                                             

                                                            Thank you,

                                                             

                                                            JD

                                                            • 28. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                              Omke Oudeman Level 5

                                                              Ideally it should do so itself in the background but using the menu find

                                                              once and put a checkmark in front of 'include non indexed files' usually

                                                              does get it started for the rest of the content. It can take a while the

                                                              first time so just let it run.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              i am not clear on you get Bridge to "Index".  i don't see any menu in Bridge

                                                              for that.  Is deleting the Cache file that is already there and then simply

                                                              opening up each folder sufficient? Or is there something else that I am

                                                              missing?

                                                               

                                                              • 29. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                Jd_Johnson8 Level 1

                                                                what do i search for though? the keywords that have been applied?

                                                                 

                                                                JD

                                                                • 30. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                  Omke Oudeman Level 5

                                                                  it does not matter, just type in a word and use descrption or key word, it is just to get it started.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                    imagearchivist Level 1

                                                                    It's been over six months now since we started using Bridge CS4 to share a central image library among a dozen designers and writers in our organization -- and it works. To date I've added more than 120,000 images to the library and more are added each month. You can track the details of what we did and are doing -- as well as catch the latest updates on my blog: http://imagearchivist.blogspot.com/

                                                                     

                                                                    The simple reality is, you can do this.

                                                                    • 32. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                      Jd_Johnson8 Level 1

                                                                      Simply doing a search does nothing for us.  Bridge just comes up empty in a matter of seconds.  Am i doing something wrong?  or is it the fact that we are using CS3?

                                                                       

                                                                      Jd

                                                                      • 33. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                        Omke Oudeman Level 5

                                                                        You should the use find command itself (Edit/Find or cmd+F) and not the

                                                                        quick search option in the bridge window and you also must have checked the

                                                                        option to include non indexed files when using this find menu.

                                                                         

                                                                        It might be that it is already indexed but to be honest I have no idea or

                                                                        experience with network set up.

                                                                         

                                                                        One thing is for sure, the upgrade to CS4 is a very good investment, Bridge

                                                                        alone is worth it, this version is far better, faster and more stable then

                                                                        the CS3 edition.

                                                                         

                                                                        You can always download a trial version and test it for 30 days

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        Simply doing a search does nothing for us.  Bridge just comes up empty in a

                                                                        matter of seconds.  Am i doing something wrong?  or is it the fact that we are

                                                                        using CS3?

                                                                         

                                                                        • 34. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                          Jd_Johnson8 Level 1

                                                                          I was doing a search with the Find command, and i did tell it to look in folders that were not already indexed.  but it still came up with nothing.  however, i was not the one to add the keywords.  my co-worker was able to perform a search and come up with the proper responses without a problem, and he was the one who applied the keywords.  i will try again tomorrow and see what happens.

                                                                           

                                                                          thank you for all of the help!

                                                                           

                                                                          Jd

                                                                          • 35. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                            imagearchivist Level 1

                                                                            Exactly how is your access to the image library configured? In other words, what is the nature of your network and how do you/everyone in your department access it?

                                                                             

                                                                            BTW, Omke is right: upgrade to CS4.

                                                                            • 36. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                              Jd_Johnson8 Level 1

                                                                              I feel like i have totally hijacked this thread - let me know if i should start a new one!

                                                                               

                                                                              Ok, so...Bridge is currently indexing.  I don't know what i did differently today, but it is definitely working.

                                                                               

                                                                              In answer to the questions about our image library and network:

                                                                              Our image library is on it's own network drive.  it has 8 main folders that each have 16 or more subfolders with each subfolder containing our images (i set up the heierarchy for my own sanity several years ago).  we are keeping the images sorted by year, so next year there will be an additional main folder. i don't know if any of that really makes a difference...

                                                                               

                                                                              In regards to the network, one of our IT guys has informed me that:

                                                                              The network is a Windows2003 domain.  The images are stored on a Windows 2003 server and accessed through a CIFS share. The Mac user is authenticated against the Windows Active Directory.

                                                                               

                                                                              Also, we are running into a problem - My boss and I work on G5's running Tiger 10.4.11, and my coworker works on a G4 running the same operating system.  we all have CS3. however, the G4 cannot run CS4.  if we were to purchase a new computer for my coworker, would we then face problems due to the different OS's?

                                                                               

                                                                              Jd

                                                                              • 37. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                                Level 4

                                                                                Jd_Johnson8 wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                Also, we are running into a problem -  my coworker works on a G4 running the same operating system.  we all have CS3. however, the G4 cannot run CS4. 

                                                                                 

                                                                                Depending on the specs of the G4, CS4 will run fine on that older computer.  I have been running CS4 on my G4, which does have an updated video card, without a single hitch.  The fact that Adobe chooses not to support that configuration does not mean it won't work.  As I said, it works flawlessly on my G4 and I do have the OpenGL functions.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Without the upgraded card, it would still run fine, but the OpenGL functions would not be available.  That's all.

                                                                                 

                                                                                If you search this forum, you will find references to Bridge 2.x (CS3) being the worst application ever released by any major software vendor.  Bridge 3.x in CS4 is better.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Wo Tai Lao Le

                                                                                我太老了

                                                                                • 38. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                                  Omke Oudeman Level 5

                                                                                  I feel like i have totally hijacked this thread - let me know if i should

                                                                                  start a new one!

                                                                                   

                                                                                  It is still a very interesting thread!

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Using Bridge over a network with others
                                                                                    Level 4

                                                                                    Tai Lao wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    If you search this forum, you will find references to Bridge 2.x (CS3) being the worst application ever released by any major software vendor.  Bridge 3.x in CS4 is better.

                                                                                     

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Here is an example of the above:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    http://forums.adobe.com/message/2120849#2120849

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Wo Tai Lao Le

                                                                                    我太老了

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