23 Replies Latest reply on May 9, 2009 1:12 AM by ChrisJakarta

    He Laughed At Me

    BerryFine50

      I just bought a new Dell XPS to replace my old Dell Dimension 8100, which was so slow that I was avoiding turning it on.

       

      Now I have a new problem. From what I understand, I cannot migrate my Adobe programs onto my new computer. The Adobe support guy just laughed when I told him what versions I had of not only Pagemaker but Photoshop, Illustrator and Acrobat. What's the big laugh for? They work fine on my old XP machine. His only solution was to buy all the programs all over again. Great--that'll cost me almost as much as the new computer!

       

      Aside from signing up for all the Adobe programs at our local JC, which would enable me at least to buy the educational versions of these programs (a very tacky solution), does anyone have any other helpful suggestions? It's been a week now, everything else is in good working order (even my funky old Logitech Trackball!), yet this critical problem remains. [Hey, love the way they put the "Sad" emoticon down at the bottom of the list...]

        • 1. Re: He Laughed At Me
          falcorgb

          Barry-I feel your pain to be sure-been there done that!  1-Acrobat is a free DL so just upgrade to newest version, unless you really use the other features in Acrobat Pro for annotating forms etc.

           

          You can always buy a next version up version of Illustrator and Photoshop on eBay or other and then upgrade to the version you are comfortable with.

           

          I have two 2 year old PC's with Vista - I will try to see if PageMaker loads on one of them-if it does you should not have any trouble. Biggest problem with staying with PageMaker-which I still think was the best program out there...is the lack of conversion ability to its newer counterparts.  Not going to happen and you are pretty much left with a .PDF option.  The upgrades you need are out there and you will not break the bank by buying those licenses.  Hope this helped.

           

          GB

          • 2. Re: He Laughed At Me
            BerryFine50 Level 1

            Hi, GB,

             

            Hey, I didn't know I could buy Adobe on E-Bay! Great idea! I assume

            they're legit; if so, I shall head straight there.

             

            Poor Pagemaker--I've had people call it "Rage-Maker" for reasons I could

            never understand. I still love it! Let them laugh; I don't care.

             

            Really, thanks so much for such a prompt response. It seems getting this

            show on the road has taken much too long; very dispiriting.

            Berry

            • 3. Re: He Laughed At Me
              falcorgb Level 1

              They are there all right and yes you should get a transferable license with it.

              • 4. Re: He Laughed At Me
                Jay Chevako Level 3

                "Re: He Laughed At Me" I thought this was going to be a bit of viagra spam.

                 

                Be very careful about buying software on ebay, It's not automatically legit, do make sure you get the transferable licence.

                 

                Pagemaker does not run reliably on vista. Some people have gotten it to work or parts of it to work, but nothing with repeatable regularity. The latest version of Pagemaker will not help you out, PM 7.0 doesn't work reliably on Vista either.

                 

                The deals you may qualify for on indesign are here http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/upgrade/?view=available

                Jay

                • 5. Re: He Laughed At Me
                  falcorgb Level 1

                  "Barry et al  FYI This was posted today

                   

                  On Thursday, Microsoft revealed that the basic requirements for running a high-end version of Windows 7 aren't much different from those needed to run the bulkier versions of Vista. However, critics said the Vista requirements for memory and other components should have been set higher, and Microsoft says Windows 7 is better at managing memory and not bogging down less-powerful machines.

                  Microsoft unveiled a few new features in the release candidate that didn't exist in the January beta, including something called "Windows XP Mode." The feature, available for the release candidate as a separate download, will let people run many XP-era programs from a Windows 7 computer.

                  The release candidate also adds a way for people to access music and other media files stored on their home PC over the Internetfrom other Windows 7 machines. ""

                   

                  It may yet on your new computer when the new Win upgrade comes in

                  • 6. Re: He Laughed At Me
                    BerryFine50 Level 1

                    Well, that would be too good to be true, wouldn't it! Of course, it will

                    be yet another thing to figure out...

                    • 7. Re: He Laughed At Me
                      BerryFine50 Level 1

                      Thanks for the warning about the transferable license; I hadn't thought

                      about that. Good thing I've already been outbid on my first E-Bay foray.

                      I will ask next time.

                      • 8. Re: He Laughed At Me
                        BerryFine50 Level 1

                        Well, no Viagra spam, but at least people are reading my plea for help.

                         

                        Thanks for the warning about the transferable license; hadn't been even

                        thinking about that. I'll have to be sure to ask the vendor that

                        question--but who knows if they're telling the truth?

                         

                        At least I'm still on XP, so the Vista snafu shouldn't affect me. I did

                        buy the Dell that allows me to "step up" to Vista, but I don't think

                        I'll be doing any stepping anytime soon...

                         

                        Thanks, Jay,

                        Berry

                        • 9. Re: He Laughed At Me
                          falcorgb Level 1

                          Its called
                          "live & learn"!  There is no better way!

                          • 10. Re: He Laughed At Me
                            falcorgb Level 1

                            I moved to MAC because I was doing more graphic type work, however even though Mac is great for graphics it has its drawbacks for standard applications.  As they get better it will raise questions about "once size fits all" but for now Macie sits in front of me, my trusty Dell-XP as well as a Vista which is to my left!  The reason? you might ask is: "My Client's needs!"  I can produce a flyer, ad, document, PPT. on Mac and watch it run or open beautifully.  Try it on XP and you will see difference, and on Vista even more.  So it takes time to make adjustments for the "perfect" submission.  I try to use .PDF whenever possible!  By the way, altho there are many ADOBE people who are really help-for a price!, Many are...in a word "Idiots!"  Just FYI-Apple techies are wonderful and generous.  Hope you got extended warranty with your new Dell

                             

                            G

                            • 11. Re: He Laughed At Me
                              Ian C. Matthew Level 2

                              There is nothing wrong with PM as such, if it still does the job you intend it to do. If it works, then great. Please do bear in mind that apart from limited Vista compatability, PM will see no no upgrades or even updates. So no PM 8 or even 7.5 just to keep PM Vista ready! As time and technology marches on, PM will be slowly but surely left behind.

                              • 12. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                Level 4

                                Ian C. Matthew wrote:

                                 

                                No PM 8 or even 7.5 just to keep PM Vista ready! As time and technology marches on, PM will be slowly but surely left behind.

                                Um! since Pagemaker was basically abandoned back in 2001, I think its safe to say that it has been left behind about 8 years ago. Its dead I like to refer to it as Zombieware dead software that still walks the Earth. If you want to stick with PM buy an old machine that runs XP.

                                • 13. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                  BerryFine50 Level 1

                                  Really sad, isn't it? You grow to use something with speed, accuracy and

                                  efficiency, and then "someone" out there in the ether decides you just

                                  can't be doing as well as you maintain you are, and they come up with

                                  something new--to learn all over again...

                                  Thanks for the warning, Ian,

                                  Berry

                                  • 14. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                    BerryFine50 Level 1

                                    Erkk...no extended warranty. Well, I shall just treat it gently (no

                                    door-slamming or cursing) and hope for the best. As for my old Dell, it

                                    will remain here in the stable for moments of crisis (I know:

                                    slow-running, crisis situation = oxymoron). In the meantime, I will have

                                    my daughter sign up for PhotoShop this summer at the local JC, buy the

                                    student version, and I will take the class. That way, she gets automatic

                                    health insurance and I learn the CS4 business.

                                    O what a tangled web we weave...

                                    • 15. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                      BerryFine50 Level 1

                                      Gosh, are you talking about my Dell Dimension 8100 by any chance? I

                                      know, I bought the Dell XPS because the 8100 was no longer fun to run;

                                      it was soooo slooooow. But until I learn how to use InDesign (which was

                                      just a twinkle in someone's eye at that point), I will hesitate to take

                                      the 8100 to the electronic recycling place (or give it to a worthy child

                                      I know). So these two machines presently sit side-by-side like horses in

                                      a barn. Responding to your comment, I think I will nickname my 8100

                                      "Shaun" as in "Shaun of the Dead"...

                                      • 16. Re: Paoreldneelymastlymastered$10nsn.
                                        falcorgb Level 1

                                          You have nothing to get hysterical about.  You can always up tour warranty with Del-just call-its a good thing to have, especially the day after the warranty runs out.  By the way I have owned and used 5 Dells and have never rally had a problem that they did not stand behind-if there was one.  I st6ill live by my XP-which has been thru a hard drive replacement, and Ram upgrade,  It will always be there for me with Pagemaker, if I need it.  I am not a Graphic Artist.  I never even used Adobe products because Corel was so much more user friendly at the time and I did great desktop publishing for the company (ies) that I headed Sales and Marketing for.  As time went on and I made some career changes the need for more advanced abilities became apparent and that is when I switched to MAC - which is not necessary-actually first I went to CS2 when PM7 went off the market.  I never used Photoshop because I was a whiz at Corel PhotoPaint.  So back to PM7- InD is different.  PM for me handled all the aspects needed to put together a project.  I still have not really mastered the combo of the two InD and AI to get the same result that worked for me....My partner is a professional Graphic Designer - he handles finalization.  I have taken a year of classes (for $100) Mac offers one on one sessions when purchasing a Mac.  Try Lynda.com

                                        You can avail yourself of some wonderful/affordable lessons and they get better and better.  If  sticking with PM7 works for you and you can use .PDF  as a an end result...keep using it until you master something else you are comfortable.  By the way as WORD gets bigger and better, in the end you can really do everything you want in WORD if you want to take the time.  True!


                                        GB

                                        • 17. Re: say what
                                          Jay Chevako Level 3

                                          falcorgb wrote:


                                            By the way as WORD gets bigger and better, in the end you can really do everything you want in WORD if you want to take the time.  True!


                                          GB

                                          Word is not a pagelayout program, The list of things it cannot do in that regard is lengthy.

                                          Jay

                                          • 18. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                            BigJohnD Level 3

                                            BerryFine50 wrote:

                                             

                                            I just bought a new Dell XPS to replace my old Dell Dimension 8100, which was so slow that I was avoiding turning it on.

                                             

                                            Now I have a new problem. From what I understand, I cannot migrate my Adobe programs onto my new computer. The Adobe support guy just laughed when I told him what versions I had of not only Pagemaker but Photoshop, Illustrator and Acrobat. What's the big laugh for? They work fine on my old XP machine. His only solution was to buy all the programs all over again. Great--that'll cost me almost as much as the new computer!

                                             

                                            Aside from signing up for all the Adobe programs at our local JC, which would enable me at least to buy the educational versions of these programs (a very tacky solution), does anyone have any other helpful suggestions? It's been a week now, everything else is in good working order (even my funky old Logitech Trackball!), yet this critical problem remains. [Hey, love the way they put the "Sad" emoticon down at the bottom of the list...]

                                             

                                            You can't just migrate your applacitions from one PC to another.

                                             

                                            With the newer Adobe applications, you first click "Transfer activation…" in the Help menu.  Follow the instructions and then remove the applications from from you old PC.

                                             

                                            For the older applications, it's just a a matter of uninstalling.

                                             

                                            Then get your installation disks out and install the applications on your new PC.  There's no need for new applications unless your applications are so ancient they're all but incompatible.

                                             

                                            As for "Acrobat", it's only minor updates which are free.  Don't confuse Adobe Acrobat with Adobe Reader, all versions of which are free.

                                             

                                             

                                            Iechyd da! John
                                            00:08 05/05/2009

                                            • 19. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                              Level 4

                                              BerryFine50 wrote:

                                               

                                              Really sad, isn't it? You grow to use something with speed, accuracy and

                                              efficiency,

                                              Actually its a god send that they dumped Pagemaker. Try InDesign its PM on steroids and so much faster and efficient.

                                              • 20. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                                BerryFine50 Level 1

                                                Thanks, John, but it's true: my Adobe programs are so old that the new

                                                XPS simply ignores my attempts to use the installation disks. Adobe

                                                doesn't even make Pagemaker anymore; it apparently stopped in 2001, so

                                                that gives you some idea of how old my programs are!

                                                Berry

                                                • 21. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                                  BerryFine50 Level 1

                                                  I'm resigned to that. One more program to buy sigh

                                                  • 22. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                                    BigJohnD Level 3

                                                    BerryFine50 wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Thanks, John, but it's true: my Adobe programs are so old that the new

                                                    XPS simply ignores my attempts to use the installation disks. Adobe

                                                    doesn't even make Pagemaker anymore; it apparently stopped in 2001, so

                                                    that gives you some idea of how old my programs are!

                                                    Berry

                                                     

                                                    The crux of the matter is that applications in general need to be contemporary with the OS.InDesign isn't going run on Win98; likewise PM isn't going to run on Vista.

                                                     

                                                    So if your Adobe apps are c. 2000, use a PC with Win2K.

                                                     

                                                    Otherwise, it's as you found out - a new PC and OS means the corresponding applaications/versions are needed.

                                                     

                                                    Iechyd da! John
                                                    00:02 06/05/2009

                                                    • 23. Re: He Laughed At Me
                                                      ChrisJakarta

                                                      falcorgb wrote:

                                                       

                                                      Microsoft unveiled a few new features in the release candidate that didn't exist in the January beta, including something called "Windows XP Mode." The feature, available for the release candidate as a separate download, will let people run many XP-era programs from a Windows 7 computer.


                                                      Actually, you can already run Windows XP as a virtual machine on top of Vista, All you need is the free Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. I am using this to run Windows ME on an XP-Home system, to allow to continue to use Office 2000 together with Pagemaker. You'll also need the hotfix rollup package for Virtual PC 2007 Service Pack 1.

                                                       

                                                      The downside is that you need a legal copy of the operating system for the virtual machine. So if you want to run XP on a virtual machine on top of Vista, you'll need a legal copy of XP.

                                                       

                                                      I was amazed at how easy it was to set up the virtual machine. All you need is plenty of hard disk space.

                                                       

                                                      Chris