11 Replies Latest reply on Oct 4, 2006 12:39 PM by Newsgroup_User

    aligning layers

    dbjevans1
      Hi, I use dreamweaver to design websites mainly for friends non professionally. My problem is this; I am used to building sites which build up from the top left hand corner, i.e with a menu and title bar. However, I've been asked to create a site based around a graphic which needs to be centered on the browser, but with text over the top. I can center it fine, but I can't work out how to align or nest the text layer above the image so that when I resize the browser window it stays in the same place relative to the image thats behind it. The image is in the center cell of a one row, three coloum table which enables me to center it. I have drawn the text in as a layer on top of this.
      Many thanks for your help
      David
        • 1. Re: aligning layers
          Level 7
          Read this page to learn about layers -

          http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_layerlaws.asp

          I sense you are standing on the rim of a high precipice....

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          "dbjevans1" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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          > Hi, I use dreamweaver to design websites mainly for friends non
          > professionally.
          > My problem is this; I am used to building sites which build up from the
          > top
          > left hand corner, i.e with a menu and title bar. However, I've been asked
          > to
          > create a site based around a graphic which needs to be centered on the
          > browser,
          > but with text over the top. I can center it fine, but I can't work out how
          > to
          > align or nest the text layer above the image so that when I resize the
          > browser
          > window it stays in the same place relative to the image thats behind it.
          > The
          > image is in the center cell of a one row, three coloum table which enables
          > me
          > to center it. I have drawn the text in as a layer on top of this.
          > Many thanks for your help
          > David
          >


          • 2. Re: aligning layers
            Level 7
            On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:45:49 +0000 (UTC), "dbjevans1"
            <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

            >Hi, I use dreamweaver to design websites mainly for friends non professionally.
            >My problem is this; I am used to building sites which build up from the top
            >left hand corner, i.e with a menu and title bar. However, I've been asked to
            >create a site based around a graphic which needs to be centered on the browser,
            >but with text over the top. I can center it fine, but I can't work out how to
            >align or nest the text layer above the image so that when I resize the browser
            >window it stays in the same place relative to the image thats behind it. The
            >image is in the center cell of a one row, three coloum table which enables me
            >to center it. I have drawn the text in as a layer on top of this.
            > Many thanks for your help
            > David

            Try applying - via CSS - the image as the background for your table
            cell. Either that or you can do it via layers, but I would read the
            link Murray supplied.
            • 3. Re: aligning layers
              Level 7
              That's a very bad and sure to fail recommendation - did you not read any of
              the discussion?

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              "Mister Mustard" <mustard@hotdog.com> wrote in message
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              > On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:45:49 +0000 (UTC), "dbjevans1"
              > <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:
              >
              >>Hi, I use dreamweaver to design websites mainly for friends non
              >>professionally.
              >>My problem is this; I am used to building sites which build up from the
              >>top
              >>left hand corner, i.e with a menu and title bar. However, I've been asked
              >>to
              >>create a site based around a graphic which needs to be centered on the
              >>browser,
              >>but with text over the top. I can center it fine, but I can't work out how
              >>to
              >>align or nest the text layer above the image so that when I resize the
              >>browser
              >>window it stays in the same place relative to the image thats behind it.
              >>The
              >>image is in the center cell of a one row, three coloum table which enables
              >>me
              >>to center it. I have drawn the text in as a layer on top of this.
              >> Many thanks for your help
              >> David
              >
              > Try applying - via CSS - the image as the background for your table
              > cell. Either that or you can do it via layers, but I would read the
              > link Murray supplied.


              • 4. Re: aligning layers
                Level 7
                On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:04:37 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
                <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:

                >That's a very bad and sure to fail recommendation - did you not read any of
                >the discussion?

                Good morning, Murray, I'm not sure what discussion you are referring
                to. I read the original post in this thread, are you talking about
                something else?
                • 5. Re: aligning layers
                  Level 7
                  I'm talking about the posts following that. It's simply not possible to
                  succeed with a web page design that relies on a large background image of
                  the page layout and superimposed text.

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                  "Mister Mustard" <mustard@hotdog.com> wrote in message
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                  > On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:04:37 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
                  > <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
                  >
                  >>That's a very bad and sure to fail recommendation - did you not read any
                  >>of
                  >>the discussion?
                  >
                  > Good morning, Murray, I'm not sure what discussion you are referring
                  > to. I read the original post in this thread, are you talking about
                  > something else?


                  • 6. Re: aligning layers
                    Level 7
                    On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:24:31 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
                    <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:

                    >I'm talking about the posts following that. It's simply not possible to
                    >succeed with a web page design that relies on a large background image of
                    >the page layout and superimposed text.

                    That will depend on the image and expectations. I was suggesting the
                    possibilities so OP can see the results and make decisions about how
                    to approach the problem.
                    • 7. Re: aligning layers
                      Level 7
                      Any attempt to align text with a background image will fail....

                      One tick change in the size of text will misalign everything.

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                      "Mister Mustard" <mustard@hotdog.com> wrote in message
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                      > On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:24:31 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
                      > <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
                      >
                      >>I'm talking about the posts following that. It's simply not possible to
                      >>succeed with a web page design that relies on a large background image of
                      >>the page layout and superimposed text.
                      >
                      > That will depend on the image and expectations. I was suggesting the
                      > possibilities so OP can see the results and make decisions about how
                      > to approach the problem.


                      • 8. Re: aligning layers
                        Level 7
                        On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:40:09 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
                        <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:

                        >Any attempt to align text with a background image will fail....
                        >
                        >One tick change in the size of text will misalign everything.

                        Been done many times. Give it a try and you'll see the limitations.
                        Work within those and there is no problem.
                        • 9. Re: aligning layers
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                          It's a bad suggestion.

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                          "Mister Mustard" <mustard@hotdog.com> wrote in message
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                          > On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:40:09 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
                          > <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
                          >
                          >>Any attempt to align text with a background image will fail....
                          >>
                          >>One tick change in the size of text will misalign everything.
                          >
                          > Been done many times. Give it a try and you'll see the limitations.
                          > Work within those and there is no problem.


                          • 10. Re: aligning layers
                            dbjevans1 Level 1
                            hi
                            firstly, I really appreicate the replies - I understand that compared to you I know very little about web design but I appreciate the time you've taken. I read the page on using layers, which basically implies that without a far more detailed knowledge of CSS I should give up and stop wasting everyones time. I have indeed tried setting the image as a background image in a cell, I've heard it suggested in other places and just as you say - it fails, without fail. So unless anyone has a great idea of how I can learn to do this quickly, does anyone know of a good reference book from which I can teach myself for future reference?
                            Thanks
                            David
                            • 11. Re: aligning layers
                              Level 7
                              > without a far more
                              > detailed knowledge of CSS I should give up and stop wasting everyones time

                              Not really. But it does mean that if you are serious about creating web
                              pages, you really must study HTML and CSS....

                              Try these:

                              http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/qdmacfly/index.htm
                              http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/css.html
                              http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/tableless_layout_dw8.html
                              http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_concepts.html


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                              "dbjevans1" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                              > hi
                              > firstly, I really appreicate the replies - I understand that compared to
                              > you I
                              > know very little about web design but I appreciate the time you've taken.
                              > I
                              > read the page on using layers, which basically implies that without a far
                              > more
                              > detailed knowledge of CSS I should give up and stop wasting everyones
                              > time. I
                              > have indeed tried setting the image as a background image in a cell, I've
                              > heard
                              > it suggested in other places and just as you say - it fails, without fail.
                              > So
                              > unless anyone has a great idea of how I can learn to do this quickly, does
                              > anyone know of a good reference book from which I can teach myself for
                              > future
                              > reference?
                              > Thanks
                              > David
                              >