9 Replies Latest reply on May 27, 2009 4:07 PM by DescartesTruth

    Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!

    Descartes truth

      Windows xp 32-bit,

      4 gigs ram,

      dual sli 7200 nvidia cards,

      60gb internal hardrive, 1.5 terabyte external hard drive (brand new, very empty)

       

      Recorded 24p and 60i on a Canon XL-2 (miniDV)

       

      IEEE 1394 firewire connected from pc to uploading device. Unfortunatly i borrowed the xl-2 from school, and am trying to capture from a panasonic pv-gs36 i borrowed from a friend (only friend with a device that records with a miniDV cam).

       

      I have been working fine on premier, very smooth when i import files, but when i tried to capture, as soon as i hit capture it freezes my whole set up, i have to manually restart my pc. I need to capture and export these clips to quicktime so i can edit in final cut at school (as requested by my instructer) the project is due in exactly one week, and the edit bays are always full which is why i opted for capturing at home with premier cs4.

       

      Im in panic mode now though, cause of this freeze issue. I'll have access to an xl-2 for the remainder of the week if the panasonic cam is the problem, but if not, please let me know!! ill go out and buy a new graphics card if that really is the issue... but i cant afford the quadro....which is why i opted for adobe premier instead of avid.

       

      im thinking its freezing because i recorded on an xl-2 and am trying to capture on this panasonic cam... could this be why?

       

      i installed premier on the 60 gig internal hard drive...should i uninstall it and install it on the external 1.5 tb one? should my settings be a certain way when i start a new project? Please help out a stressed out student during finals week! I will be super grateful to any info anyone can provide. thanks again for all your time and effort =)

        • 1. Re: Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          For your sake I hope that 1.5 TB external is an eSATA disk. If not, try to exchange it for an eSATA model since it still is very new.

           

          That the capture button is not greyed out and you can press it, leads me to believe that there is no problem with the firewire connection. What could be a problem is if you have used LP (long play) on the Canon or used 4 channel audio during the shooting. If you used normal standard play settings with standard 2 channel audio, the Panny should allow normal capture and not fail. You might try Scenalyzer to capture and see if that works.

           

          If your external is a firewire disk, that could give you problems too on the firewire port. You can then try to connect the Panny to another onboard firewire port, or if that is not available, connect the Panny to the disk, and the disk to the PC.

           

          Leave PR on the 60 GB disk.

          • 2. Re: Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!
            Descartes truth Level 1

            I'm unsure if the external drive is eSATA. I did buy it a few days ago 1.5 tb for 129.99 at fry's...good deal. What are the advantages of having an eSATA? The drive i have is a seagate Free agent-Desk external drive, model number st315005fda2e1-rk

             

            <img src="http://www.thinkdigit.com/uploads/seagate_freeagent_desk.jpg">

             

            Again, total noob here...

             

            the external is USB 2.0, and yea, i only have 1 firewire port. Also, something i failed to  mention is...I actually run my computer off my 42 inch samsung hd tv (720p native). When i was installing the whole production suite it asked me to get a moniter with higher resolution, but the click top continue installing anyway button was there so i went for it. Could this be the problem?

             

            I'm fairly sure i recorded in standard play with 2 channel audio with the canon, so im starting suspect it is this dinky panasonic dv cam thats causing me all this headache.

             

            also....please dont insult me too much...but:

             

            whats a panny?

             

            Whats scenalyzer?

             

            annnnd finally, no input on the cards? I was thinking that was going to be the problem for sure. The cards are great for gaming but im not really sure what kind of cards are (at least decent) for editing and capturing.

             

            I appreciate your help, ive been looking at the boards all night and this morning, i noticed you are kind of a superstar around here Millaard, so i really appreciate the effort =)

            • 3. Re: Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!
              the_wine_snob Level 9

              Whats a panny?

               

              Whats scenalyzer?


              "Panny" = Panasonic*

               

              Scenalyzer is a 3rd party Capture program. It offers some features that PrPro does not. Many people use it, because of those features, instead of the Capture module in PrPro.

               

              Good luck,

               

              Hunt

               

              * I started to say that this was what they call a Panasonic in Holland (where Harm lives), but decided to just keep it straight - for the moment...

              • 4. Re: Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!
                Harm Millaard Level 7
                What are the advantages of having an eSATA?

                 

                It is around 5 times as fast as a USB drive.

                 

                I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm no superstar. I just happen have have some basic knowledge of some hardware and do not mind sharing my experiences with others. I'm just a normal guy, who had an idiot as a teacher (meaning I'm an autodidact) with a lot of years of experience with editing. Well, 'normal' is in doubt. Many here consider me rude, terse, inconsiderate, prolific, and a whole lot of other things.

                 

                Back to your question of why you can't capture from the Panny (Panasonic). Go to this site:

                 

                http://www.scenalyzer.com/main.html

                 

                and download the trial version. Your captures will be watermarked while using the trial version, but at least it will show whether the camera and the firewire port and cable are working as they should be. Also check that the camera is correctly setup. Use the manual to check your settings.

                • 5. Re: Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!
                  Descartes truth Level 1

                  okay cool, making progress. I downloaded the trial version of scenalyzer. Im not totally sure how to use the program but i did manage to capture with fair ease. The watermark is there and it can only capture ten clips ( i have hours of footage that need to go through this process). It saved them as quicktime files, which is nice.

                   

                  Two snags however:

                   

                  The quality was terrible. The resolution was really low, and akwardly timed. Some clips were about a second long (again, im not totally sure if this is something i can change in the settings.)

                  two: i changed the settings on the panny (thanks for the vocab lesson) from LP to SP before i used scenalyzer, when it began succesfuly previewing and everything, i figured that this may also be the problem with premier. i closed scenalyzer opened up a previous premier file i had (test 24p) and hit F5....no surprise my computer froze.

                   

                  Ill have an XL-2 later on today, ill try and see if the settings on the panny are off, or if its my hard/software.

                   

                  also, i didn't mention this before but; sometimes when i open a new project on Pr the window stays empty. No time line, no clip bin, no effects window, no preview clip and time line windows...nada. What gives?

                  • 6. Re: Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!
                    Descartes truth Level 1

                    *bump*

                     

                    Okay, well i got the xl-2, tried to capture on premier and again, froze my computer. I'm going to try unintalling and reinstalling my premier and then trying again (its the only idea i have).

                     

                    Scene analyzer seems to find my camcorder fine, and also takes control of it easily. I just dont know if i have the time to learn the progam. I may have to purchase it....i hope its not too steep.

                     

                    I dont see why premier doesn't just capture though....its 24p footage...i also have footage in 60i that i needs to get up there. I'm starting to think im going to fail the class cause i decided to capture at home with adobe now. Not that i dont have faith in the products, its just probably some freak snag on my computer specifically.

                     

                    The twin sli 7200 nvidia cards aren't the issue right? maybe ill download some drivers for it... but im running out of reasons why this wouldn't work.

                    • 7. Re: Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!
                      joshtownsend Level 2

                      Quick fix would be to download the Sony Vegas trial, capture with that. Figure out why Premiere is screwing up on you later. If you can't capture with Vegas you have hardware/software problems.

                      • 8. Re: Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!
                        Harm Millaard Level 7
                        I dont see why premier doesn't just capture though....its 24p footage...

                         

                        That can well be the cause of your problems. The Panny doesn't handle 24P. Neither does the XL2. It does 24F in a 60i wrapper. So you need a 60i sequence setting.

                         

                        Scenalyzer is very straightforward and attractively priced at around $ 34.

                        • 9. Re: Newb here, need help! just check out what i have, make reccomendations please!!
                          DescartesTruth

                          ... how strange. Im currently downloading the vegas demo. Last night i uninstalled and reinstalled premier and downloaded all the updates (2 hours and a half download time).

                           

                          My friend was over and i was explaining to him how premier works smooth, it edits great and over all its a good piece of software...and then i imported a bunch of random clips and fooled around with a few effects to show her what the program can do. Then i added, "unfortunatly i cannot get my footage on screen".

                           

                          I hit capture and the capture window actually opened! i hit play and it started playing my tape! mind you, since i was just messing around this is the first time i put my settings on 4:3 and NTSC standard. Maybe this is the reason. also, i switched from 24p (or 24F as you state it is) to 60i on the same tape. Not a lot, only like one time, but still im starting to suspect that this may be the culprit.

                           

                          for some reason after i hit pause for the second time, my system restarted on its own (better than it freezing and my having to restart it manually). I think it may be because the aspect ratio suyddenly changes. Im going to try to cue it up so it matches the settings i input at the start of the project. Hopefully this will work.

                           

                          If i did record at twoseperate speeds on the same tape, would it be impossible to capture on premier?