4 Replies Latest reply on Jul 10, 2009 12:19 PM by John T Smith

    AVCHD or HDV..Yet Another Discussion

    rtprtp Level 1

      Hello all,

       

      Yes I am still struggling with this.

       

      I have been downloading AVCHD footage and converting to mpeg and for the most part it edits well on my Alien M17 Quad Core, even though it hicups now and then. My biggest struggle is the conversion time:

       

      - Using AVS4You, it takes about 5 minutes to convert 1 minute of native AVCHD footage to Mpeg. That would be 5 hours for 1 hour of shooting!! That is what I am struggling with the most. Yes an hour of HDV footage would probably take me 90 minutes of real time to bring into PE7. So why would I want to wait 5 hours for AVCHD. It seems that the SD convenience gets thing overshadowed by the long conversion time. Plus, from what I understand, HDV is a proven workflow in PE7.

       

      Is there a faster converter? Am I missng something here? Should I ask for a logical decision from Dr. Spock?

       

      Ed, I know you are going to way in on this. Any other thoughts from the forum would be greatly appreciated, because I am getting ready to pull the trigger on the Canon XH-A1 HDV camera.

       

      Thanks, Stan

        • 1. Re: AVCHD or HDV..Yet Another Discussion
          Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

          Well, Paul S found this excellent, free converter from Koyote Software.

          http://forums.adobe.com/thread/390605?tstart=0

           

          I can't promise it will work faster though.

           

          AVCHD's biggest selling points are its high-compression and easy hard drive storage -- the very things that make it challenging to edit on a PC! (Final Cut, as far as I know, is the only personal computer video editor that uses an intermediatary codec for editing -- though it can take a very long time to convert the files too, when you do your final output!)

           

          I'm just not sure what the solution is though. You've got a very fast computer, so you may well be able to edit AVCHD natively, without converting it. But even still, when you output it, it's going to take a very long time!

           

          With tape-based HDV getting harder and harder to find, AVCHD may well be the future of consumer hi-def -- but all of the players didn't think this one through before they dumped it on the market.

          • 2. Re: AVCHD or HDV..Yet Another Discussion
            the_wine_snob Level 9

            And then, so many mfgr's have added their own twists to AVCHD, that it is impossible to cover all bases. It is like trying to pick up mercury with a pair of tweezers, or maybe herd cats.

             

            I fear that the holiday season will bring more versions and variations to the table, and until everyone has time to try out each and report, it will be a nightmare on the fora. Add in the ever changing variations of older formats/CODEC's for the DSLR's that shoot motion footage, and we've got the makings of the "perfect storm."

             

            Hey, it keeps you and Paul_LS on your toes, right? I'd suggest writing a book on AVCHD, but if you ever tried to cover all those bases, you'd never get to print.

             

            Hunt

            • 3. Re: AVCHD or HDV..Yet Another Discussion
              Ed.Macke Level 3

              I'm oddly comforted by the fact that AVCHD is in such a state of disarray right now.


              I kept thinking they're be some clear-cut answer and kept getting frustrated that I couldn't find it / figure it out.


              Now, I've come to understand the problem isn't me... it's AVCHD. Seems to be a complete mess of incompatible implementations and huge PC editing demands.


              Frankly, I'm not thrilled with either option.


              HDV is a reliable, proven workflow. But it's tape-based (a minor annoyance - I've been living with tape for 20 years), requires separate timecode splitting (why on earth isn't PRE doing this, seriously, how hard could it be?), and is only 1440x1080 resolution. Oddly, I've seen references to 1920x1080 HDV but also references to the fact that that would impossible since the spec only supports 1440x1080... hmmm.


              AVCHD seems like it's just not ready for prime-time. The hard drive and flash drive media are definite plusses, but the format itself... maybe in a few years?


              If I had to pick the least objectionable, I'd go with HDV.


              But, sadly Steve may be right. I looked on Sony's website the other day, and every HD camera was AVCHD except their shoulder-mounted pro version (yeah, I want to carry THAT around DisneyWorld).


              So, quite frankly, I may just wait until the AVCHD world gets it act together before I part with my $$$. Dunno......

              • 4. Re: AVCHD or HDV..Yet Another Discussion
                John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                >or maybe herd cats

                 

                Slight digression... unless the cat wants to herd YOU!

                 

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