Oho! The "Expand Appearance" is the answer! It's as simple as that. Of course, it's always simple if you know the answer. I don't think I've ever dealt with Expand Appearance before. And I've been using AI since it was owned by Aldus and before it even had a number...just Illustrator (something like 1987 because the next version was Illustrator 88).
I swear, I'm forever finding out new things with this wonderful program. Thanks so much for your quick response Wade. It totally answers my problem.
FYI.. the Filters menu isn't "gone." Its merely changed.
All the previous filters are now in the Effects menu, as you've discovered. However, if you have any third party filters installed, the Filter menu now appears under Object > Filter. But it only shows up if you have additional plug ins installed.
Glad it was the answer it seemed from your post that you were missing
When I wrote that I was simple I was hoping it would make you feel
that all is still workable so no need to worry.
And i agree if you do not know the answer it is often disturbing not
to be able to see the solution.
Adobe Illustrator was never owned by Aldus.
You're right, of course, JET... I was confusing it with Persuasion. I was so bummed that MS PowerPoint forced it off the market. IMHO, it was a much superior presentation program. but MS was offering PP bundled with Word, etc. in "Office." Thanks for keeping me honest.